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    An interesting WIKI I stole from another board. The only way to save moneywith the rising price of grains is to buy now. This saves money in the long term and ensures you have something to eat or to supplement other foods.

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    Vacuum packing your own food supply
    by Mike Rostov

    When I went to put food away prior to Y2K I tried several methods. I bought nitrogen packed freeze dried food, and a variety of other items. I really like Mountain House and Alpine Aire freeze dried entrees, and food like that has it's place, since it's easy to fix in a hurry and under adverse conditions. But, for an extended period of time, you will need a LOT of food for you and your family and any relatives and friends that show up. Unless you're seriously wealthy, this means a large supply of bulk, dry food. In many ways, the bulk dry food is healthier over the long term than the pre-prepared freeze dried entrees.

    The reality was I wanted to stockpile, quickly, efficiently, and economically enough food to last five people for one to two years. By economical, I mean that I wanted to spend less than $2000. All totaled, this project wound up costing about $1400. My experience in using this stockpile later would indicate that we actually did have enough food for 5 people for 2 years, and probably much more than that with hunting, fishing, and gardening added in. That comes out to $140 per year per person, or about $11.67 per month per person. In a separate project we stockpiled a large amount of seed, much of it heirloom, and much of the stored food could be sprouted for vitamin C and other nutrients, or planted for garden crops.

    The food needed to last for an extended period of time in storage. The food should also be relatively portable so one man could load the stockpile into a truck and/or removing parts of the stockpile for relocation or trade.

    The most economical way to acquire food is dry bulk. You need a complete protein and a good spectrum of nutrition so you need a variety of different foods. You should also store things to help preserve and prepare other types of food, notably hunted and trapped animal protein. In taking a tip from long distance ocean voyagers, it's also a good idea to store some 'comfort' food to improve morale and break the monotony.

    So, what I did was I developed a vacuum packing system where I packed away a total of 108, five and six gallon buckets of dry, bulk food. This vacuum packing is easy to put together and use. It's also fast, and you can pack a huge amount of food relatively quickly. I usually get a factory quality vacuum seal on my stuff using my homemade system.

    I eventually packed away 108 buckets of food using this system with a content weight, not counting packaging (buckets, bags, lids, etc) of around two metric tons of dry food.

    Dry food vacuum stored included:

    Wheat, Hard Red Winter
    Wheat, Hard White
    Rice, Enriched Long Grain
    Rice, Himalayan Basmati
    Green Peas, Whole
    Green Peas, Split
    Baby Lima Beans
    Great Northern Beans
    Pinto Beans
    Pink Beans
    Anasazi Beans
    Soybeans
    Lentils, Brown
    Lentils, Red
    Popcorn, Gourmet
    Sugar, Turbinando
    Sugar, White Crystal
    Carrots, Dried, Diced
    Apples, Sliced, Dried
    Onions, Chopped, Dried
    Milk, Non-Fat, Dry
    Egg Noodles
    Spaghetti
    Tortellini Pasta, Cheese Filled, Dried
    Oats, Rolled
    Salt, Iodized
    Salt, Sea

    I highly recommend getting some 'gamma seal' lids for when you start opening buckets. One sealed 5 gallon bucket will usually hold about 42 pounds (19 kilos), plus or minus a bit, of beans, rice, wheat, etc. These are just the vacuum packed items. I have a lot of other items stored, such as large, five pound cans of aluminum-free Rumsford baking powder.

    Here is the procedure for the vacuum packing method. It's something that most people can do. Your main pieces of hardware needed are a household vacuum cleaner with a hose attachment or a shop-vac, a heat sealer like an old Seal-A-Meal or a Titlia Foodsaver, and a heavy rubber mallet.

    First, get a length of aquarium tubing (6 or 7') and cut one end in an angle and stick about a foot or so of the other end into the flexible hose attachment of a large, strong vacuum cleaner. Then, with the tubing in the hose attachment, duct tape close the end of the hose attachment.

    Next, get a heat sealer like an old Seal-A-Meal or something similar. I use an old Titlia Foodsaver vacuum food sealer that doesn't get a good vacuum anymore. The Foodsaver is great because you dont need to modify it for my system. You need to be able to run the tubing through the back of the heat sealer so some models, like the Seal-A-Meal will need to be modified slightly. The Seal-A-Meal also has these little posts designed to hold Seal-A-Meal bags. I would remove them. The last used but still functional Seal-A-Meal I found at the Salvation Army was $4.

    I got my heat sealable foodgrade polybags in bulk at . I usually get 3 mil or 4 mil bags that are at least 20" in diameter. A pack of 250, 3mil, 20"x30" bags runs about $49 if you buy 1 to 4 packs. With some food items, like dried egg noodles or spaghetti, you may need to double or triple bag them because of the sharp edges of the dried food can poke tiny holes in the bag.

    I usually get my buckets at Home Depot or Walmart where they were running me about $2.50 but the prices may have changed. The lids are another story. Sometimes Home Depot has the right lids and sometimes they don't. You need the lids with the rubber seal in them. Be sure that the buckets and lids are HDPE (High Density Poly-Ethylene). It's too bad that the 6 gallon buckets are so much more expensive and harder to find. The 6 gallon buckets hold a full 50lbs of wheat like they were made for it.

    While the 6 gallon buckets are more convenient for food storage as this size is almost perfect for storing an entire 50lb bag of wheat, they are normally extremely hard to find for sale over the counter at a store. For economy, it's often better to just go with the 5 gallon buckets. They are also lighter to move around.

    My advice, as one who has stored over 2 metric tons of food, get all, or as many as possible of your buckets the same size if you are storing a lot. They stack, stow, and transport a lot easier. I used mostly the 5 gallon, but I also had quite a few 6 gallon and some 3 gallon. The 3 gallon units are nice in that you only open a smaller amount at one time. However, after you start using your food supply you'll find that having a bunch of 5 gallon buckets around is extremely handy at times.

    If you have a hard time getting any sort of plastic container and lid, one outfit you can often order them from is United States Plastics. They have a variety of colors and they also sell square buckets, though I haven't used the square ones yet.


    The next two consumable items to get are oxygen absorber packs and bay (laurel) leaves.

    I usually buy the oxygen absorber packs at the LDS (Mormon) cannery for about $8 per 100. There are other places to find them, such as Walton Feed () and Interteck A/S (.

    When dry canning with regular #10 cans you toss one in just before you seal on the lid and it will absorb all of the oxygen out of the can usually producing a small vacuum. I usually toss about 5 or 6 in each bucket as added insurance, with at least 2 or 3 of three of them in the bag to be vacuumed. In some of my later buckets I used 8 per bucket, with 3 in the bag and 5 tossed on top of the bag before the lid was hammered on. I actually found one of my stored buckets with the sides dramatically squeezed in from the internal vacuum, like it was being grabbed in three places by a giant hand.

    The bay leaves you can buy in bulk from a number of places, such as Walmart, Sam's Club, and Costco. They are more added insurance. Bay leaves are a natural insect repellent. I usually toss three to five of them in the top of the bucket before the lid is sealed. With grains, such as wheat, I also usually toss in a few with the grain before the vacuum bag is sealed.

    Put your stuff in your bag with a fair amount of flap space to spare at the top of the bag.

    Heat seal the bag. If the bag is wider than the heat sealer, two or more heat seams will be necessary. I use two seals at an angle so they cross in the center (forming a 'V') without needing careful alignment.

    Run the small tubing through the back of the sealer unit.

    Cut one small corner of the sealed end of the bag, just small enough to allow the angle-cut end of the tubing in. Run the tubing up near the contents. Turn on the vacuum cleaner.

    As the vacuum draws down hard, draw the tubing further up the 'flap' area of the bag so it can get out of the way of the new heat seam you are about to make. The flap will become tightly flat as the vacuum cleaner keeps the bag sealed with the excess flap material.

    With the vacuum cleaner still running and the tube still in the flap, stick the end of the flap into the heat sealer and create a new heat seam to seal the bag under a vacuum.

    After that, I often toss in some more bay leaves and three more oxy-absorber packs before I put on the lid and whack it tight with a mallet.

    It takes some practice, but you can get the hang of it pretty quick. It works extremely well on dry food, ammo, etc. You have to be a bit careful on powdered stuff, like dry milk, otherwise the vacuum cleaner can suck it out through the tubing if the tubing gets too close. I just use a regular, household vacuum cleaner with a hose attachment. A shop vac should work pretty good also. I've been opening food vacuum packed in 1998. The vacuum is good and the dried food is still fresh.

    These photos were taken in late 2001 and early 2002. The food had been in vacuum storage for over 5 years and it was in perfect condition when I opened it. I've opened food from that lot as recently as late 2006 and it was still in perfect condition after 8 years of storage.






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    You know I was told we was going to have a food shortage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leilanicandy View Post
    You know I was told we was going to have a food shortage.
    We are experiencing a food shortage. here in the US we see the shortage as rising prices, overseas in countries that are dependent on US grain harvests this results in unavailability. I was at my local Safeway grocery store yesterday and canned chicken breast meat was $4.14 a can.

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    If you want to be extra safe or save money on the oxygen absorber packs and vacuum unit, you can also hit on your local welding supply store for a tank of carbon dioxide gas. Insert your plastic heat seal bag in the bucket ... give the bag a blast of carbon dioxide ... pour in your wheat or rice or whatever ... throw in a couple of oxygen absorber packs ... give the bag a final shot of CO2 ... and seal the bag.

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    though it is a month later thank you sooooooo soooo much for that info Armysgt. I am planning to stockpile some food for my parents before I move. And thank you for the cheaper version Melonie.
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    StripperMBA,
    No problem, I am pleased to know someone could use it and will!

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    here is something cool. Shelving to store your pantry on that helps by automatically making it possible to rotate your stores. Rotating so that the oldest is used first.

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    Considering even the news media has begun to acknowledge rising food prices, I feel this deserves a bump.

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    Yes, even for those out there who do not believe in a food shortage. Like my parents, just think of how much you can save buying basic food items in bulk. I bought parents rice, oats, cous cous, beans, flour, dried milk, amongst other food items in bulk . It saves them a trip to the grocery store, and all of these things where much cheaper in large bulk amounts. Also I bought these items for them last summer. It was cheaper then. But still if one buys now it will be better than in a few months.
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    Huh. K and I recently started buying stuff in bulk at the food co-op because it is cheaper, but I dunno where we'd store two metric tons of bulk food! We have three-liter and five-liter containers to keep filled with stuff like white flour, whole wheat flour, polenta, cornmeal, lentils, beans, TVP, etc. We have smaller jars for spices and nutritional yeast and tea, stuff like that which we also get in bulk. It saves money and packaging.

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    It is kind of funny, but in a way we are getting more in touch with the earth and how it supports us and sustains us.

    I've planted a garden this year, and plan on freezing, canning and pickling what I can't eat fresh. I take surplus that I don't have time to preserve to the local food banks. July-Sept I usually am taking 30+ pounds of produce a week. I planted more this year, so I'll likely take even more food. This is important because the demand on food banks is rising due to the cost of food going up so much.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    Huh. K and I recently started buying stuff in bulk at the food co-op because it is cheaper, but I dunno where we'd store two metric tons of bulk food!
    Under the bed, five gallon buckets make a sexy raised platform be. Ya know. Boxes under th couch, filled with vacuum sealed packages. There is a shit ton of wasted air space in a home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    We have three-liter and five-liter containers to keep filled with stuff like white flour, whole wheat flour, polenta, cornmeal, lentils, beans, TVP, etc.
    Vacuum sealed will retain freshness, as will packaging into smaller quantities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    We have smaller jars for spices and nutritional yeast and tea, stuff like that which we also get in bulk. It saves money and packaging.
    Teach your friends! Now get yee to the farmers markets.

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    I have bought 20lb bags of salt and sugar and measured them into 1 cup serving sizes then vacuum sealed them with my food saver. I did the same with instant rice too.
    The hard winter wheat crop is coming to market right now. I could try to take advantage of availability, though I don't have a grain mill of my own as yet. I am of a mind to try baking some bread, besides the cornbread I make occasionally in a muffin pan or eight inch skillet.

    I have stored away quite a bit of spices.Most are not grown domestically and I would miss them if the price became exorbitant or they became unavailable. Did you know that black pepper was once, ounce for ounce the same price as gold? Indians of the southwest used to make a hundreds of mile trip to the great salt lake to collect salt there for cooking and preserving food.

    Must buy more rice and red beans, this makes meats go further since together they are a complete protein the body needs.

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    Um, am I the only one who finds it amusing that this guy packed away hundreds of drums of food planning for the dreaded Y2K, crash an event that NEVER HAPPENED.

    I seriously think those tin foil hats may cause brain damage (haha,kidding wink)

    But seriously, We are not anywhere near the point where we need to start stock piling fucking food in America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasPrincess View Post
    Um, am I the only one who finds it amusing that this guy packed away hundreds of drums of food planning for the dreaded Y2K, crash an event that NEVER HAPPENED.

    I seriously think those tin foil hats may cause brain damage (haha,kidding wink)

    But seriously, We are not anywhere near the point where we need to start stock piling fucking food in America.
    The article starts off with the authors experiences starting out with preparing for Y2K, then states towards the end that the photos were taken in 01, and 02. The article was written in late 06 or 07.

    Everyone should stockpile food. It is insurance that you can eat. Say you lost your job to a company that is overseas, with no chance of it coming back. Do you have the savings to carry yourself until you are retrained in something else? Wouldn't it be better to have such a pantry as the one listed , to supplement unemployment funds, instead of needing unemployment to carry everything including the grocery bill.

    Consider the huge rise in the costs of food as of late, because of the price of fuel. While it is coming down there is every indication gas will go right back to $100.00 a barrel and stay there. All our foreign suppliers know we can, and will pay that price.

    There are any number of disasters that become inconveniences; when you have such a pantry or food supplies stock piled. Remember last years ice storms? Closed highways and downed electrical lines prevented food deliveries for weeks in some locales. Do you really want to venture out into a blizzard for something to eat, when you could have it now on your shelf?

    Food supplies are not just survivalists preparing for nuclear winter or evangelicals readying for Armageddon. Food supplies are insurance for every day folks that are a buffer against bad things like job loss or natural disasters. Insurance you can eat.
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    ^^^

    I suppose, although I live in the city so I could hypothetically go to a food pantry, although no TBH I don't think it would ever come to that, I have too many friends

    You do bring up a good point about the weather conditions, ESP for people who live in remote areas, that's for sure. I know people do do this, esp people who live up North in WI but they stockpile normal shit like frozen shit (hey if your power goes out, dont worry its that cold outside), Rice a Roni, Mac and Cheese, Soup, ETC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasPrincess View Post
    ^^^

    I suppose, although I live in the city so I could hypothetically go to a food pantry, although no TBH I don't think it would ever come to that, I have too many friends

    You do bring up a good point about the weather conditions, ESP for people who live in remote areas, that's for sure. I know people do do this, esp people who live up North in WI but they stockpile normal shit like frozen shit (hey if your power goes out, dont worry its that cold outside), Rice a Roni, Mac and Cheese, Soup, ETC.
    Stock piling food is what is important. People put away what they feel comfortable with. If that is chili mac and rice a roni that is ok. I am sure the author of the article likes to cook more from scratch and the choices reflect that.

    Food pantries are really wonderful, but currently very depleted with all the foreclosures and job losses. You could get to the head of the line and get very little. Not to mention waiting in the cold and the snow or rain just to get it.

    Remember what it takes to cook mac and cheese. You need milk and margarine too. which require refrigeration unless you buy the powdered kind.

    It is easy to get started with a pantry. Say start with a two week goal. How much oatmeal, rice, veggies, soups, canned meats, and pet foods do you consume in two weeks before a trip to the store is necessary? that becomes your reserve.

    Say that is seven cans of soup (in addition to the other items). When your pantry gets down to those seven cans of soup it is time to go to the store. Rotation is key too. First in, first out newly purchased items go to the back and older items come to the front to be used so items don't sit there for ages losing nutritional value.

    Frozen foods don't work in my local since it is november and seventy degrees today, plus the extra electrical load that would raise my bill.

    Recently I had problems with my GI bill payments as in, no payment. I had to wait ten days for processing to get money for gas and groceries etc. Fortunately I have stockpiled noodles, rice, ragu sauces, and other stuff and didn't go hungry. I learned what folks mean when they talk about appetite fatigue. What would I have done without the pantry? I don't know. Pawned some valuables maybe to afford groceries.

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    Stockpiling food is just good sense. You don't have to think that the end (in whatever form you subscribe to) is on the way to see the value of doing so.

    My parents stockpile food in massive quantities ... although massive may be far too strong of a word considering the above article! They do so for the financial savings of buying in bulk ... and saying those savings are extreme would be an understatement.

    Loved the article, by the way ... thanks for that. I'm really getting interested by some of these recently revived posts: storage, growing, etc.

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    i am amused at the idea that cities magically generate their own food supplies. a few missed deliveries and too many other people having cleaned local stores out and even city dwellers are in trouble without at least a few days' supply of food lying around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    The article starts off with the authors experiences starting out with preparing for Y2K, then states towards the end that the photos were taken in 01, and 02. The article was written in late 06 or 07.

    Everyone should stockpile food. It is insurance that you can eat. Say you lost your job to a company that is overseas, with no chance of it coming back. Do you have the savings to carry yourself until you are retrained in something else? Wouldn't it be better to have such a pantry as the one listed, to supplement unemployment funds, instead of needing unemployment to carry everything including the grocery bill.

    Consider the huge rise in the costs of food as of late, because of the price of fuel. While it is coming down there is every indication gas will go right back to $100.00 a barrel and stay there. All our foreign suppliers know we can, and will pay that price.

    There are any number of disasters that become inconveniences; when you have such a pantry or food supplies stock piled. Remember last years ice storms? Closed highways and downed electrical lines prevented food deliveries for weeks in some locales. Do you really want to venture out into a blizzard for something to eat, when you could have it now on your shelf?

    Food supplies are not just survivalists preparing for nuclear winter or evangelicals readying for Armageddon. Food supplies are insurance for every day folks that are a buffer against bad things like job loss or natural disasters. Insurance you can eat.
    Y2K, what a joke !

    Some emergency food is common sense. Buying in bulk is often money-saving, which is good. Growing your own veggies (and eg chickens) may work if you have the land and attention span. But trying to prepare for a Mad Max Armageddon by storing food for the rest of your life, arming yourself to the teeth and being suspicious of everyone and everything is just paranoid delusional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella View Post
    i am amused at the idea that cities magically generate their own food supplies. a few missed deliveries and too many other people having cleaned local stores out and even city dwellers are in trouble without at least a few days' supply of food lying around.
    In the old days, this was how wars were won -- starve out the cities and the castle. It was, I believe, how the more recent Battle of Vicksburg was won in the American Civil War.
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    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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