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    Arrow The Real Reason Behind U.S. Immigration Reform

    After decades of their mutually beneficial exploitation, I present to you the real reason that the US govt. is reforming its immigration policies -

    Our "officials" were merely waiting in the wings for technologies which would justify their means:

    The Rise of the Machines.

    ^That's a direct link^

    If illegal aliens, who (contrary to popular belief) have been short-changed every which way (compared to the American worker with legal status) can replaced by this thing in order to nickel & dime it here and there, then just imagine, try to wrap your mind around the implications for American workers who demand at the absolute very least:

    1) Minimum wage,
    2) Sick / maternity leave,
    3) Paid vacation and
    4) Insurance benefits

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    It's a brave new world in which it seems that we as biological creatures apparently seem to be beginning to have have become more disposable, inefficient and costly to maintain, as opposed to our robotic counterparts.

    Chilling and disconcerting, IMHO.

    Thoughts?

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    try to wrap your mind around the implications for American workers who demand at the absolute very least:

    1) Minimum wage,
    2) Sick / maternity leave,
    3) Paid vacation and
    4) Insurance benefits
    there's a word for unskilled Americans who demand these things ....
    UNEMPLOYED !!!

    Automation / mechanization is indeed one of the responses to the rising cost of employing unskilled labor in America. The more the minimum wage and mandatory benefit costs rise, the easier it is for employers to financially justify investing in labor saving machinery which allows them to employ fewer unskilled workers.

    The leaders in this trend are retailers who have been investing heavily in infrared scanning automatic checkout machines - also the US food growing industry that has been investing heavily in specialized automatic harvesting machinery - also the lawn care industry that has been investing heavily in high capacity high speed mowing equipment. Robotic vacuum cleaners, robotic lawn mowers, etc. are an experimental technology that is pretty close to becoming practical (I've had a 'Roomba' for something like 3 years now)

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    Lightbulb Re: The Real Reason Behind U.S. Immigration Reform

    Melonie, you should have your own political blog somewhere. It would be interesting to see all your views in one place organized by subject.


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    ^^^ in truth, my views are really economic. Unfortunately, when gov't economic policies interfere with the economy they make it political.

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    Default Re: The Real Reason Behind U.S. Immigration Reform

    Mechanization is a good thing...it increases efficiency and moves human labor to tasks that are more important.

    Illegal immigrant labor does SOME of that, but it brings a host of concurrent problems that mechanization doesn't...the cost of social services for the immigrant population, which is usually very high as they tend to have large, uneducated families with health problems;crime rates are high among illegal immigrants;assimilation;language;etc. These thing cost money to handle, things that mechanization doesn't.

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    Arrow Re: The Real Reason Behind U.S. Immigration Reform

    Hello Melonie. I find your observations to be very accurate (since they seem to echo mine; LoL), especially those regarding the agricultural field.

    Climate change has been, and will undoubtedly be, the springboard toward highly mechanized cultivation, given the increasing scarcity of natural resources.

    In addition, we are only beginning to address and deal with the long-term effects of the global increase in droughts and flooding. With this, the introduction of new species of life, from microorganisms which change the physical chemistry of our American soil killing native plant species, to animals who have been exotic mechanical vectors for zoonosis, that is, until now.

    BTW: Expect an upcoming Immunization Campaign addressing diseases which were thought to have been eradicated in the U.S. and have thus been unscreened for dozens of decades.

    Note: How is it possible that we are well on our way to undo all the humanitarian strides and advancements we have taken in the past 50 years or so?

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    Arrow Re: The Real Reason Behind U.S. Immigration Reform

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    The leaders in this trend are retailers who have been investing heavily in infrared scanning automatic checkout machines
    OK, this is the point I was hoping someone would pick up.

    Most of these jobs are held by people making trying to make ends meet, the lower working class -

    single mothers and fathers,
    young people learning industriousness,
    college students,
    retirees who got STIFFED,
    even "skilled" people with their Masters and PhD in many cases, simply trying to supplement their income -

    even some of us may fit into this category.

    Minimum wage and mandatory benefit costs have been rising, but so has the cost of living due to the dollar decrease, so these increases in the face of an unstable economy ultimately cancel themselves out, IMHO.

    War is no picnic and excellently spirals us into debt, apathy and complacency.

    So, will we first eliminate, the lower working class, then the working class entirely and replace via technology? That would in turn eliminate the middle class causing a gap between the upper class (i.e. “upwardly mobile”) and the poor –

    Sound like a plan geared towards oligarchy much?

    You have a Roomba? LoL, I have been boycotting them on principle. Although the Scooba is working OT to change my mind

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    I have no problem with machinazation as long as the need for money also takes a nose dive. The only reason employers would opt for reducing their workforce is to reduce costs. OK fine, so now an addition 30-40% of the population are out of work - thats a lot of people with idle time on their hands.

    I have no problem with that as long as you reduce the cost of living (I mean all of it - food, water, health care, power and energy, housing,) by the inverse of that amount to cover for the otherwise tax and welfare reforms that will skyrocket because of it and still wind up costing the employers that were trying to save money, and workers who still have a job, taking a heavier tax hit.

    upper class think they are paying a lot of taxes now? wait till they are paying for all those additional unemployed people. Nothing pisses off a taxpayer more than his tax dollars going to feed and house unemployed. Employers wanting to do away with people earning money, should equate to bigger picture - money itself. If you dont need it, then there is no need to amass it and therefore no need for people who cant get any to suffer because they dont have any - especially if its not by their own choice that they are now "useless to society"

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    Note: How is it possible that we are well on our way to undo all the humanitarian strides and advancements we have taken in the past 50 years or so?
    I can think of a few milestones ...
    - the establishment of the US minimum wage in 1938, but which was really first raised to a globally non-competitive level in 1974.
    - the publishing of Rachel Carson's book 'Silent Spring' in 1962, leading to a ban on the use of DDT in most countries and a resurgence of previously 'conquered' diseases
    - the enacting of 'great society' social welfare programs in 1965, and MedicAid in 1966, leading to a conclusion that all Americans were entitled to a gov't provided, taxpayer funded, minimum acceptable American standard of living whether they chose to work or not.
    - the institution of the practice of 'social promotion' in the public school systems circa 1975, which reduced the level of public education to the lowest common denominator and which widened the difference in future success rate between those attending private schools vs public schools.


    If you dont need it, then there is no need to amass it and therefore no need for people who cant get any to suffer because they dont have any - especially if its not by their own choice that they are now "useless to society"
    this worked out great for the old Soviet Union didn't it ? Or worked great during the middle ages too ?

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