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    I had a horrible night. I forgot why I hate Fridays.... now I remember why. It was all drunk 20-somethings who just wanted to watch "the show". My first stage set I got 0 dollars. No one was even watching, I danced for half the song and no one came up to the rack to tip, no one even glanced my way (I was on a side stage not a main stage) so I sat down on the chair in the middle and watched the girl on the main stage. The manager... idiot manager by the way come up to me making hand motions to dance with his index fingers like I'm some fucking marionette. I stand up but sit down again when he walks away, and we repeated this 3 times before the song was over. I dont' understand why they want us to dance when there are no customers tipping or even looking!! At Cheetahs it was tip to strip (well it isn't anymore).. Am I wrong for not dancing for free?

    I understand that dancing could attract customers to the rack, I tried that and they didn't come, so obviously weren't interested. It doesn't help that there are barely any lights on the side stages, and no pole.

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    Thumbs down Re: dancing for free.

    I'm sorry, but all I have to offer you is that this is why I don't work on Fridays.



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    I have been there. Some people will say you have a bad attitude as you never know who is looking... I've been there tho'. I can empathise. On a side (insignificiant) stage/podium.. where I could easily see who is and is not looking.. and thus could instantly tell that no one was watching.. so why waste my energy.. I would rather conserve it for off stage (selling lap dances).

    It happened to me last night as well (Friday night).


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    I had a fucking awful night too last night...ended up leaving at 10...I usually stay til 12 or 1. I only made 130$!! Everyone was cheap...hardly anyone was buying...the club was dead until 8....and Fridays arent even that bad here usually.
    Same deal...I'd do an entire stage set (one song on each of the 3 stages)and make 0-4$....not fun. It seemed like the only girls that were making money were the 2 little 90lb. shot girls...so of course that just creeped its way into all my body insecurities. I knew it was time to leave when I couldnt just brush a off a guy refusing a dance...I'd roll my eyes or get bitchy and leave...that and the guys saying"I'll buy a shot if you give me 2 for 1". Yeah because as you can tell it's soooo fucking busy in here and I'm making such great money that I want to buy YOU a shot...even though you havent spent a fucking dime on me. Ooops sorry I got a little off track with all my bitterness from last night...
    But yes...I was pretty close to sitting my ass down in the middle of the stage...especilly when the 90lb. duo would fill the stage...then I'd come on and all the guys would leave...yup way to feel really awesome about yourself. I didnt even take my top off for half of my stages...because fuck it, nobody was even watching : / . Now I have to motivate myself to work tonight...even though I feel like crap...to make up for the money I didnt make last night.
    I was the same way though...all I could manage was some twirls around the pole..nobody was coming by to watch and tip no matter what I did...ugh...


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    I have done "titty strikes" when the club is full of non-tippers. When I, and the other girls, sit down on our stages and put our tops back on, the cheapos suddenly realize, oh yeah it isn't free and we get tipped. Pity dollars...but at least they're dollars.

    However, I'm on the fence about the effectiveness of this, because who wants to buy a dance or spend more cash on a girl who obviously isn't having fun, is sitting on stage with a sour look on her face? Besides, you never know who is watching you and getting ready to come up to your stage and spend all his money on you.

    Now, instead of titty strikes, I will just dance real slow, no point in breaking a sweat for free, and keep a smile on my face, making eye contact with the crowd. Sure it sucks to dance for free, but I think customers will sense if you're all bitter, and it might ruin your chances for making money later.

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    Default Re: dancing for free.

    when you know things are going crap like that, try and switch it up, play something off the wall, and smile like your retarded. you should get a "thats original" tip at least.

    disney songs, to annoy the piss out of them, or maybe the chicken dance. haha i dont know.

    fuckit. pull out a gun that should get their attention

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    Friday sucked for me too. Nothing but a bunch of broke ass punks or older men, "just stopping in for a beer". I was getting pissed off for the first time in a long time. Usually I don't let all the "no's" get me down, but it just seemed like all the...ummm...there is no nice way to put this.....fat, ugly chicks were getting the business...WTF?

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    Stages like that I end up either watching myself in the mirror so I can see what actually looks flattering, or I dance all crazy..think "roger rabbit", the "snake", "funky chicken"...if that doesn't get the guys attention, it'll at least have your co workers laughing...rough times like these, we have to try to keep a sense of humor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinder View Post
    Friday sucked for me too. Nothing but a bunch of broke ass punks or older men, "just stopping in for a beer". I was getting pissed off for the first time in a long time. Usually I don't let all the "no's" get me down, but it just seemed like all the...ummm...there is no nice way to put this.....fat, ugly chicks were getting the business...WTF?
    If it didnt say you were located in Canada I'd swear you were at my club. Aside from the 90 lb. duo it was all of us making no money and all the bigger not so pretty girls upstairs in the champagne room...


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    Wow, half a song and you give up, I can't imagine why you don't make money.

    In this business, ATTITUDE is EVERYTHING, really and truly, and at all times. Like it or not, that is factual. When you act like you don't give a shit and have a pissed off look on your face and then SIT DOWN, the guys will turn to look at the stage where the girl is up there having a ball. It's a scenario that plays out time and again, every night in every club in the freakin' world (possible exaggeration, but mostly true).

    Blame it on Friday night, blame it on the club, blame it on the young customers, blame it on everyone but yourself. Funny how some dancers can make money when there's three guys in the club and some can't make it when there are 300.

    I'm sorry to take my frustration out on your post, but I'm so fucking sick of girls bitching about this shit when it is their own fault. Because if what you are doing isn't working for you, then CHANGE what you are doing. It isn't rocket science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andygirl View Post
    Wow, half a song and you give up, I can't imagine why you don't make money.

    and then going back and forth with the manager like that.. hmm.. what made this seem ok? i'm sorry but that just sounds lazy.

    my night wasn't great either. part of it was because i ran into some kids i went to high school with and various other customer issues, but part of it was because i was tired and not trying as hard as i should have. but if i sat down on stage and did nothing i probably wouldve gotten fined.

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    last night was horrible for me too. After 2 songs of not being tipped even once, I just layed down on my stage on my stomach, kicking my legs until my song was over.
    No wonder I never work fridays!

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    I barely made $200 after tipout. Most of the top girls were not making money at all. It was the new girl who walked away with almost thirty dances under her thong by the end of the night. I had a guy buy one dance, pay for it, ask for another, and his card was declined. To hell with that. One dude whipped out with a camera phone and I kicked it out of his hands. Another dude who thought he was so sexy by blowing on my pussy. (I shoved him back into his seat and refused to dance for him until he coughed up a shit-ton of ones and behaved himself) Guys just buying a single dance (instead of the special buy three get four, which is always hook, line, and sinker for them. They usually get two specials.) Two young guys who came in with twenty dollars between them and only tipped the girls they 'liked'. Then a guy I used to work with came in, and I just could not bring myself to do a stage dance for him. It was just too weird. He was the young guy who drove the forklift. I was the mousy cashier.

    I wish I could dance tonight. Saturdays rock for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinatalie View Post
    last night was horrible for me too. After 2 songs of not being tipped even once, I just layed down on my stage on my stomach, kicking my legs until my song was over.
    No wonder I never work fridays!
    Seriously? Where are these clubs that let dancers get away with this shit?

    Also, what did you think it was going to get you? Do you think that guys are impressed with that kind of "entertainment?" Come on, some of you girls really need to rethink your business strategies.
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    ^What is the deal with all the flaming? Everybody has a bad night? If you don't like what you read then move on and quit picking on the girls...SHEESH!!!



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    I did two songs worth of hard-core entertainment, energy, smiling, slow sexy moves, advanced pole tricks, motioning guys to come visit me; nothing worked. The only guy sitting near stage, and who actually had a stack of ones sitting on his table, was ignoring me altogether, not even watching. He was watching TV. Occasionally he glanced over, but was apparently not interested in what he saw, and he turned back to ESPN.

    Halfway through my last song I was naked on my blanket doing floorwork, and decided FUCK IT. I was still smiling though, but tired and refused to do any more work for free.

    I later found out ESPN guy was only interested in hispanic women. oh wells.

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    ^I hate that crap! Sometimes there's only so much you can do and so much sweat you can break out before you feel like you're gonna pass out! HAHAHA!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mileia777 View Post
    ^What is the deal with all the flaming? Everybody has a bad night? If you don't like what you read then move on and quit picking on the girls...SHEESH!!!
    In what world does not blowing smoke up people's asses equal "flaming" them?

    She complained about her night, and I brought up some valid and very accurate points. If she didn't want opinions and comments she shouldn't have posted about her problems on a public messageboard.

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    Andy- The manager is incompetent. If you've ever been to D2, you'd know that the side stage is very out of the way of the main stage and the backstage, way in the back by the couch dance area, there's even trees and dividers that somewhat camouflage it from the rest of the room. It's dark, there are no lights on the stage. From that vantage point however, it's easy to see the entire room, and you can definitely tell if there are people looking at you. It was kind of like sitting in the very back of a classroom, and being able to see that every head was turned towards the teacher. I'd rather conserve my energy and emotional well-being for interested customers- not an anal retentive manager who prides himself in being on everyone's ass all of the time.

    -and it wasn't being lazy, it was being smart. It was the beginning of the night and I'd rather conserve my energy for when there are paying customers. My next stage set it wasn't that busy at all, but there were customers watching, I put a ton of energy into it, and made 60 dollars, a third of what I made the entire night. I know that every customer counts and you never know who's watching- but I use it to my advantage when it's actually realistic to do so.

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    It's funny how a certain night will be bad for one club and great for another.

    Fridays generally rock at the 'neighborhood club' where I dance, however Saturday nights are strange. Last night was just slow and horrible. One pretty dancer left with only $14 after tip out

    But evern with slow nights like that, it's always good to throw on that fake smile and put on a show. I always put the effort in, no matter what. Even if I am in pain and dead tired from dancing for hours.

    It paid off too. As dead as it was, a custy tipped me a $50 for my stage dance
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    Andy, I have to respectfully disagree. I happen to work at a club that "let's girls get away with this shit" and pretty thankful that I do. Granted, I won't usually give up after half a song. But if it's been awhile and no one's tipping. I'll stop dancing, will not take anything off, and stretch on the floor. Honestly, this often gets things going again. People will glance over and realize they haven't been tipping, and if they want a show- maybe they should! After a minute of this, people will usually come up and start tipping me.

    Granted, I agree that a good attitude can make all the difference. But sometimes, you have to slow the party down until folks remember it's not free. Especially in a city like portland where we make a good percentage ( if not most or all of our money for a night) on stage tips. That can make it pretty frustrating, and something has to be done if you don't want to go home with $15.

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    Yes, a good attitude is important but I do not like to dance for free either. The more tipping there is, the more into the dance and enthusiastic I get. More money= better shows.

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    Did you know that even when you think people aren't looking, they actually are? You can't just sit on a chair and expect tips because when someone decides to look at you and you're mocking the manager, they're going to go somewhere else.

    I always 100% dance my last show as hard as I do my first. One time the girls were just sitting around talking to other girls because only one guy was in the club. Nobody was doing their stage properly, it was 2am, closing time...

    I was the last girl. I got on stage, I did my huge rocking set... and he made it rain. Because in the end I didn't sit on my stomach and chew gum like the girl before me. I ended up with a few hundred in ones while the other girls had maybe two whole dollars.

    You've got to appear fun and happy at all times because even if you think nobody is looking or caring - someone is. And it can totally put you off for stage tips when you're on the big stage, as well. 'Oh that's the lazy girl I saw flipping off the manager on the other stage. Let's not tip her here either.'

    .. if you catch my drift.


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    Lysondra,
    I can appreciate what you're saying. While having a good attitude and continuing to dance my heart out even when no one in the house is tipping has benefited me occasionally, most of the time, it ends up being a waste of time. Maybe it has something to do with Portland. Most of our clubs are a lot smaller than the ones you'll find in other cities, and it's a small city with way too many clubs. This means things can stay pretty slow with the same small group of people in the club for hours. In which case, they'll be happy to continue watching the show for free for all those hours if they don't feel any pressure to tip. And in a state where we don't sell many dances, you best believe we're not keen on dancing and stripping on stage for free. sometimes it's better to stop (if it'll pressure the people in the club to start coughing up, and it almost always does for me) than to spend your night smiling and twirling your ass off for a the same bunch of cheapasses who think everything is hunky dory. It's a judegment call.

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