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    What's your opinion on this story? Should the law go easy on parents who simply forgot their kid?

    In my opinion..how the fuck do you not realize your kid is gone for 7 hours??

    Ok. You forget to bring the kid in...but after a few minutes, don't you realize your baby is not in the house and wonder where it is? How do you not realize it's been 7 hours and youhaven't seen the baby?

    So...what do you guys think? Go easy if there was no criminal intent or full punishment?

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    Excerpt from article:

    "MANASSAS, VA. - Kevin Kelly is a law-abiding citizen who, much distracted, left his beloved 21-month-old daughter in a sweltering van for seven hours. Frances Kelly had probably been dead for more than four hours by the time a neighbor noticed her strapped in her car seat; when rescue personnel removed the girl from the vehicle, her skin was red and blistered, her fine, carrot-colored hair matted with sweat. Two hours later, her body temperature was still nearly 106 degrees."


    Tough question, K.

    IMO, remembering this tragedy will be sufficient punishment for Mr. Kelly. The guilt he must be experiencing over his daughter's awful and unnecessary death couldn't be replicated anywhere beyond his psyche. I personally don't believe that incarceration could approach that level of mental anguish...

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    ^^^
    good point, I have to agree.
    I would need further details to decide whether I think that the parent/s should be punished.
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    I think some kind of punishment is warrented. A child is dead after all..that shouldnt be glossed over and ignored because the parents were scatterbrained and didnt mean to kill her. What if thye have another and do the same?
    If you are so distracted you dont realize your baby is gone for 7 HOURS....something is wrong. I dont know too many parents who wouldnt check on a 21 months old for 7 hours..except MAYBE while they are sleeping...safe in their bed.

    This isnt a case where the child crawled somewhere and the parent couldnt find them. This childs died SOLELY because of the parents actions. Intentional or not...he directly killed his baby.

    I agree that this will likley haunt him forever....but guilt should not be a get-out-of-jail-free card.

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    That site is my hometown newspaper.

    I have a direct loathing for people who do this. 'Forgetting' makes it sound so innocent, when it's just dumbassery.

    I remember an instance at my old job at the hardware store. A customer who was leving called into the store to tell us there was a car with two small children inside. It was a boiling hot day. I ran out there and got the license plate number, then ran back in to phone the cops. I was talking about it to my coworker when a customer walked up.

    "That sounds like my car. Is there a problem here?"
    I looked at him and he was poker-faced.
    "Sir, you know you left your children in the car and it's boiling hot out?"
    "Yes, I cracked a window. I was only inside for a minute."
    He proceeded to glare at me.
    "But you obviously have a huge problem with this. I have no need for this store anymore."
    He proceeded to drop all of the things he was carrying onto the floor (!!!) and walk out. I called 911 and gave them the scenario because of his nonchalant attitude. I was so disgusted.

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    A couple minutes okay....7 hours hell no you best remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrawberrySwitchblade View Post
    That site is my hometown newspaper.

    I have a direct loathing for people who do this. 'Forgetting' makes it sound so innocent, when it's just dumbassery.

    I remember an instance at my old job at the hardware store. A customer who was leving called into the store to tell us there was a car with two small children inside. It was a boiling hot day. I ran out there and got the license plate number, then ran back in to phone the cops. I was talking about it to my coworker when a customer walked up.

    "That sounds like my car. Is there a problem here?"
    I looked at him and he was poker-faced.
    "Sir, you know you left your children in the car and it's boiling hot out?"
    "Yes, I cracked a window. I was only inside for a minute."
    He proceeded to glare at me.
    "But you obviously have a huge problem with this. I have no need for this store anymore."
    He proceeded to drop all of the things he was carrying onto the floor (!!!) and walk out. I called 911 and gave them the scenario because of his nonchalant attitude. I was so disgusted.

    really?
    It's my hometown to. That's why I read that paper

    I have also called the cops when I've seen kids in cars. In Vegas, it gets to be 120 in the summer. A child can't sit in a car for 5 minutes out here. I don't care if the parent ran inside to pay for gas, I'm calling the cops. You never know what could happen to cause your 1 minute in the store to turn into 5 or 10.

    I realize what a pain in the ass it is to unstrap your kid, carry it in, rebuckle it up..much easier to just leave hi in the car...but in my opinion, that extra 5 minutes it takes to carry your kid in the store is worth it. I mean..it's your kids life.

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    There is no excuse for leaving your child in a car unattended EVER! Even if it isn't hot someone could always steal your car. It's on the news occassionaly where this happens with children still strapped in their seats. How the HELL do these people forget their children. If mine are too quite it takes about 30 secs for me to check and make sure nothing is wrong (not 7hrs).

    Anybody who says it is too difficult, well I have 2 babies and I am a TINY woman and I still manage to unstrap both of mine and hold my 3 yr olds hand while carrying my 3 mo old in his carrier EVERY single time I get out of the car.

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    I wonder if one reason why parents feel like they can leave their kid in the car "for a minute" is the increase of child safety seats that they feel like are too complicated and time consuming to undo? In the past, child safety seats were not mandated which forced parents to carry their children.

    Either way, I still feel like it's an act of negligence on the parents part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasmine View Post
    There is no excuse for leaving your child in a car unattended EVER! Even if it isn't hot someone could always steal your car. It's on the news occassionaly where this happens with children still strapped in their seats. How the HELL do these people forget their children. If mine are too quite it takes about 30 secs for me to check and make sure nothing is wrong (not 7hrs).

    Anybody who says it is too difficult, well I have 2 babies and I am a TINY woman and I still manage to unstrap both of mine and hold my 3 yr olds hand while carrying my 3 mo old in his carrier EVERY single time I get out of the car.
    I'm impressed. I never left my kid in a HOT car, but I'll admit to leaving her for a sec while going in to pay for gas or something like that where I can keep an eye on the vehicle. It's probably not ok to do that, but I was not the greatest young mother.
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    You don't forget your child. I don't care. If you 'forget' your child in a hot ass car - you don't need to have a child. Simple as that. Its not like he left the child at home in a play pen but in a 100+ degree car for 7 hours and NOT notice?? Was it that hard to take a moment and be aware of what he was doing as a parent?

    The story sickens and saddens me. A whole other human being depended on someone who was suppose to take care of them and ended up dead instead. Because of someone's 'forgetfulness' that child is no longer alive. Irresponsibility is what it really is.
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    Shit like this is when I wish we could use "eye for an eye"...strap his ass into a hot vehicle and let him experience all the panic, skin boiling pain, and horror his daughter had to endure because of his stupidity and lack of responsibility! I have a 26 month old, you don't just forget! Disgusting!!

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    I agree that maybe for a second you forget, but you don't forget for 7 HOURS. You run your ass back to that car like you have a fire lit under your ass to get the child. When I'm a mother the only time I will leave my child in the car is maybe 5 minutes IF IT'S TEMPERATE OUT with the windows down (and also if the child is old enough to be OK for 5 minutes alone), or I will leave the keys in the car so that the child can have the AC/ heat on while I'm gone. This is also only if the child is old enough to know to leave the keys alone, don't talk to strangers, keep themselves locked in, etc.

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    He spent the 7 hours gambling, mind you. How repulsive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyssa Lynn View Post
    Shit like this is when I wish we could use "eye for an eye"...strap his ass into a hot vehicle and let him experience all the panic, skin boiling pain, and horror his daughter had to endure because of his stupidity and lack of responsibility! I have a 26 month old, you don't just forget! Disgusting!!
    I feel the same way .

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    Quote Originally Posted by rozz View Post
    He spent the 7 hours gambling, mind you. How repulsive.
    I missed that...all I saw was :

    Would it influence your opinion to know that the day Frances died, May 29, 2002, the Manassas engineer was watching 12 children alone while his wife and oldest daughter were abroad visiting a cancer-stricken relative?

    Does it matter that when he returned home that day, he'd asked two teenage children - both of baby-sitting age - to tend to their younger siblings while he went back to school for another daughter who was late getting out of an exam?

    Or that during the next seven hours, he was accosted by an air conditioning repairman with news that he was going to have to spend several thousand dollars on a new unit? That he fixed lunch, did laundry, mended a gap in the fence that the little ones were using to escape the yard, drove to the store for parts to fix his air conditioner, took a son to soccer practice and fixed a leaking drain pipe in the basement?

    Where did it say he was gambling?

    What kills me is that DURING the seven hours she was dying or dead in the car..he DROVE to the store, then with his son to soccer practice....so he forgot her 3 times...even when he was getting in and out opf the car and driving with his daughters corpse?????????

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    even when he was getting in and out opf the car and driving with his daughters corpse?????????
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    We had an incident like that here in the bay area just this past week.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...sn=001&sc=1000

    I'm in no position to judge whether there should be charges filed. I'll leave that to the respective DAs. But jail as punishment pales in comparison to the self-imposed punishment he will inflict upon himself for the rest of his life. And jail time as protection for society by removal doesn't apply here either. That family's life is inextricably altered to the detriment of all involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    I missed that...all I saw was :

    Would it influence your opinion to know that the day Frances died, May 29, 2002, the Manassas engineer was watching 12 children alone while his wife and oldest daughter were abroad visiting a cancer-stricken relative?

    Does it matter that when he returned home that day, he'd asked two teenage children - both of baby-sitting age - to tend to their younger siblings while he went back to school for another daughter who was late getting out of an exam?

    Or that during the next seven hours, he was accosted by an air conditioning repairman with news that he was going to have to spend several thousand dollars on a new unit? That he fixed lunch, did laundry, mended a gap in the fence that the little ones were using to escape the yard, drove to the store for parts to fix his air conditioner, took a son to soccer practice and fixed a leaking drain pipe in the basement?

    Where did it say he was gambling?

    What kills me is that DURING the seven hours she was dying or dead in the car..he DROVE to the store, then with his son to soccer practice....so he forgot her 3 times...even when he was getting in and out opf the car and driving with his daughters corpse?????????
    If this is what happened...then, yes, he should probably have some kind of legal action.

    If it was hypothesizing, then no.

    I still don't get it. I sometimes watch friend's kids and if we go anywhere, I'm always counting, "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7...ok...right number." I remember one time I got lunch together and walked into the living room and I only counted 6...missing Adrian...and I made everyone stop and look for him...little bugger decided to crawl behind the end table. He was only "missing" for a few minutes (as he was in the kitchen with me and crawled away just a few minutes before I finished lunch)...but still. Even with a lot of kids...cleaning, cooking, running my business, fielding phone calls...I always manage to know how many kids are around at all times. I don't understand how a parent can "forget" the child for that many hours and not have some little alarm inside going, "MISSING CHILD, MISSING CHILD". Everytime I go to the store, I DOUBLE check to make sure that I have all the kids I left the house with.

    I've heard of cases where the parent who doesn't usually drop the child off at day-care, drives habitually to work and parks and comes back at the end of the day to find their dead child in the car. And, I could kind of get it then...but a parent who is going back and forth in the car multiple times...and doesn't see the child...

    I wonder why none of the other siblings ever said, "Where's the baby? Why'd you leave the baby in the car?"

    There's definitely got to be more to this story...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post

    Where did it say he was gambling?
    My mistake. I assumed that the photo had something to do with the story. Silly me. The quote under the photo reads: "Antonio Balta points to photos of his daughter, Veronica, during an interview in the Florida Dept. of Corrections Desoto Annex. Balta left his little girl in his car while he gambled. She died from exhaustion."

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    Quote Originally Posted by rozz View Post
    My mistake. I assumed that the photo had something to do with the story. Silly me. The quote under the photo reads: "Antonio Balta points to photos of his daughter, Veronica, during an interview in the Florida Dept. of Corrections Desoto Annex. Balta left his little girl in his car while he gambled. She died from exhaustion."
    AH..I didnt even look at the photo caption so i didnt see that!

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    It's so sad and seems to be becoming more and more common.
    This happened about a month ago in my town. The step-granmother forgot the baby in the car when she visited a friend. I just don't think it should be so easy to forget something that you are CONSTANTLY watching like a kid.
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    Some people should not be allow to have children. That is just plain simple. I think they should leave the parent in the hot car for seven hours. Let them have a stroke.
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    Even if it's minues whatever here, or a thousand degrees, I ALWAYS take my kids in the store with me, even to pay for gas. Forget the temperature, there are too many crazy people out there who could easily kidnap your child and do far worse to them! I have a 5 1/2 year old and a 18 month old and they are NEVER left alone. Fuck, I even have ADD, and I don't forget!

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    This also reminds me of idiots who pass out while drunk and their small child walks out the front door. My bf's former friend just did that. His wife, crazy bitch she is, was taking a nap, as usual, and the father passed out while drunk. The little boy 3 YEARS OLD got out. I'm giong to find Children's Aid's number and I'm calling them tomorrow, because this is sick.. It's not the first time. And all I hear is, "the town is starting to talk about it and it's only a matter of time before the little boy is taken away." Good thing calling them is anonymous. Cuz I'm doing it.

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