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    Ugh.

    i cried during the video and almost couldnt sit thru the whole thing.

    i cant beileve some people treat animals like this.

    so glad i dont eat meat.

    but still.....look at the way the chickens are treated who provide eggs, and how mother cows are treated who provide milk. makes me not want to eat any animal products at all. but even if i went vegan....its so fucking hard to get away from resturants, and random food that you eat that could have "animal" products in it such as chicken stock, beef oil, animal rennent, etc.

    god, is there anything i can eat that wasnt treated evil?

    i really hope this animal cruelty stops. i dont know what to do though?!
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    The point of veganism is not to be 100% pure, it's to decrease suffering in whatever way you can-- even if it's just giving up meat and going vegetarian- you're still decreasing suffering. If you like the idea of going vegan but "love cheese too much" then go vegan except for cheese. It's really not that hard to "give up " these foods that seem so "basic" in your life, because once they're gone, you can't imagine having them in your diet. I've been vegan for almost 3 years now, it was the best decision I ever made for myself. It "cured" me of virtually all my body dysmorphic feelings I had for my body, it made me appreciate things more, and it made me look and feel better physically and emotionally. I don't want to sound preachy, that's just my experience and $0.02

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    I, myself, am not able to go w/o meat. I have tried just a no red meat diet, & got horribly sick. Anyway, I try to buy from places that sell Kosher (where the animal is supposed to be killed humanely) or I know Whole Foods sells meat in which the animal was humanely killed.


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    I was vegetarian for years....I still eat veg. 90% of the time. I do a bit of poultry and/or fish becasue when I stepped up my workouts, no matter how much beans, nuts, soy, etc...I was getting..it wasnt enough protein and I was getting sick.
    But I too try and get the organic free range...better treated in life meats. I refuse to eat at places like KFC because of the insane level of torture they commit.

    There's no reason for animals..even those meant for slaughter..to spend their entirte short lives in tremendous pain and agony.

    I would love to see the demand for meat drop significantly. If people would eat meat a few times a week, instead of a few times a day..the demand would drop to a level where such fast production woudl not be necessary and a lot of the overcrowding and agony that occurs at factory farms would be obliterated.

    I can dream.

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    What about free range meat?



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    Quote Originally Posted by OJenni! View Post
    What about free range meat?
    Depends...by law "free range" only means that the animals have an area where they can wander around freely. It doesnt specify that they actually be allowed INTO that area. So if you have a large pasture, but still keep the chickens locked in tiny cages 24/7....you can call your meat "free range"

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    Windy, you could try taking it one step at a time. Making a drastic change to your diet can be shocking to your system, but instead of going from being a total carnivore to being a complete vegan, try first just giving up red meat, then poultry, just eating fish for a while. While you're eating fish, try increasing your protein intake from other sources, like soy and seitan, and seeing what kinds you like most. Then try giving up the fish, if that's the direction you're inclined, and see how you feel about that, being an ovo-lacto vegetarian (one that eats eggs and milk but no meat at all).

    Now it's also true that there's plenty of cruelty in the production of milk and eggs, and I understand wanting to avoid that. Luckily for us, these days it's become easier and easier to buy free-range products, including milk and eggs that were raised cruelty-free and without hormones, antibiotics, etc. It IS true that sometimes, just because it says "Cage-free" on the label doesn't mean that the chickens' lives were eexactly carefree, but this is where buying locally can really make all the difference.

    I do thins, I try to avoid anything that came from a factory farm, ever. Is is more expensive? Well, yeah! You bet it is, but not so much that it's going to bankrupt me. It always baffles me when people are appalled and disgusted when they learn about how animals are treated, and yet continue to purchase the products so they can save a few dollars on their next grocery trip. It's more than worth an extra fifty freakin' cents per dozen eggs to me.

    Ethically, some don't believe in consuming any animal poducts at all, regardless of the source, and I respect that too. But I know I feel fine about buying eggs a few months a year (when they're laying them naturally) from some massage clients of mine, for example. They own chickens that are literally treated like pets. Their coop is called the "Palais de Poulet", the owners go on and on about how beautiful certain ones are, and what the flock's dynamics are like, and so on. They're the best, freshest eggs I've ever had, and the fact that I KNOW the chickens are treated well makes all the difference. I buy those when they're available, and during the months they're not, I buy free-range at Whole Foods or the equivalent.

    Meat itself, well, it's a little different, because ultimately the animal IS killed, but I do think it matters HOW you treat the animal while it's alive, I do, and the method of slaughter matters to me too.

    Gypsy is right on, it's about minimizing the damage. Better to make small changes than to say "Well, I can't manage a totally raw, vegan diet, so I guess it's not worth it to do anything at all."
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    I would love to see the demand for meat drop significantly. If people would eat meat a few times a week, instead of a few times a day..the demand would drop to a level where such fast production woudl not be necessary and a lot of the overcrowding and agony that occurs at factory farms would be obliterated.

    I can dream.
    I'm with you! EXACTLY! We humans always want absolutes, so I don't think a bumper sticker saying "Eat LESS meat, and from quality humane sources" would be too popular, but that is how I feel.

    I can dream too . . .
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    How about "Stop spending needlessly"

    Keep in mind that in all topics, it's not the "Change" you make in your lives once educated that bothers me as much as how long it takes to JUST GET EDUCATED.

    I'm on the same path, but slowly. Do what you can, don't be concerned about what others think, but really, just make sure that anyone who asks why, gets a HEALTHY NON-PREACHY education that arms them as you were just armed.
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    A lot of that stuff those movies show are biased and extreme and pretty uncommon and usually from places that were shut down for their poor business practices.

    That said, I go to a very specific butcher in town for my free-range, organic and grain-fed meat. I've asked very directly about his practices and have found him to be the best most 'morally uplifting' practice in the area. His meat is killed quickly and flash frozen and only comes from specific farms along the coast. Of course, this means I'm paying $13 a kg just for my cat's offcuts (they eat raw) and something like $24kg for my bacon... but it makes me feel a little better in the end. Plus it's better for me. And damn, they have good eggs. P:


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    the truth lies somewhere in the middle, but I'm more inclined to think in most cases it leans toward the cruel end. It's propaganda of course, but there's a little truth in everything.

    and kudos to you for being a conscious omnivore health is wealth.

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    ^^^ I know many ranchers and farmers. My uncle was a dairy farmer, and I spent a lot of time there helping him out. He treated his cows like gold. Because they were gold to him. He was constantly on top of any ailments to them and gave them the best he could with feed. Even the machines to milk them were actually gentle. All they did was trigger let down in the cows to start the milk flowing.
    Other ranches that I know, do the same, even for the beef cattle they have, the ones I know believe in quick, painless deaths, and the cattle have hundreds of acres of land to roam around. I think the individual rancher/farmer is the better way to go, and the big commercial industries, yeah, they're the problem because there's no one there to really see what goes on.

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    Fresh meat, anyone ?
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    exactly^^^ no one thinks of meat as what it is.. because by the time you've got it on your plate it's already been processed/cooked/packaged/whatever. No one actually thinks of it as a dead animal. Also, no one really thinks of the fact that in a single pound of ground beef, there can be parts from 100 different animals- it's not just one animal you're eating- it's a bunch of animal carcasses ground up and mixed around. You wouldn't eat your cat, you wouldn't eat your dog, you wouldn't eat your horse.. would you? Not to mention humans aren't meant to eat meat:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysondra View Post
    A lot of that stuff those movies show are biased and extreme and pretty uncommon and usually from places that were shut down for their poor business practices.
    That's not true. KFC's supplier of the year (so you know they produce a lot of chicken) was documented torturing chickens needlessly. They aren't shut down.

    They are given AWARDS!

    But it makes people feel better that meat comes from places that looks like the cute little farm on the milk boxes. The reality is sickening and I don't understand how anyone that cares how animals are treated could support companies that treat animals like walking pieces of meat. I fully believe the farming industry relies on people's ignorance or denial, so I'm hope more people watch stuff like this.

    That Alec Baldwin movie is exactly what made me change. It's not about, "how can I be vegetarian/vegan?" It's more, "how can I not?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy74 View Post
    exactly^^^ no one thinks of meat as what it is.. because by the time you've got it on your plate it's already been processed/cooked/packaged/whatever. No one actually thinks of it as a dead animal. Also, no one really thinks of the fact that in a single pound of ground beef, there can be parts from 100 different animals- it's not just one animal you're eating- it's a bunch of animal carcasses ground up and mixed around. You wouldn't eat your cat, you wouldn't eat your dog, you wouldn't eat your horse.. would you? Not to mention humans aren't meant to eat meat:
    Depends on what country you're from. I have, for sure, eaten horse. But like I said, I'm really picky about my meat. If you're going to eat meat, at least make sure you know the source and contents of your package.

    Meat is roughly $2-3 a pound more if you get it from a local farm-based butcher, pure, whole grain fed, free-range (ACTUAL free-range)... I know $2-3 seems like a lot to people, but really, it isn't. How much meat are you eating a week? a pound? two? That's only $4-6 more a week and it'll at least ease your mind - AND your health will be better for it.

    The meat tastes better, cooks better, is better for you, and only costs a couple bucks more and a few hours in research. I really don't see why people don't do it more.

    If I was in China, I'd probably eat cat and dog as well, but I'd have to make certain it was killed in a manner I felt was morally sound (which is a bit difficult in China, but I digress).

    This rant wasn't directed at you... I just don't see why meat-eaters chose to eat the crappy grocery store discount 'meat' when you're not even sure what's in it. It makes a million times more sense, ethically and physically, to just stop off at a nice butcher and get your meat cut for you fresh and healthy straight from the animal you know what farm it's from. Just.. dunno.. seems kinda obvious.


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    There is not one single federal law that governs the raising of livestock animals. NOT ONE. This is not urban myth or an "extreme" view. This is a fact. There is not one single law the protects animals during transport. This is a fact.

    The ONLY federal law that protects animals is the so called Humane Slaughter act, which applies only to the exact moment of death, and which does not even contain the mechanism for its own enforcement.

    There are vrtually no state or local regulations--as in, I can think of one or two token pieces of legislation in the entire country.

    The legal standard for animal treatment is what is considered to be "standard industry practice." Again, this is a fact. If everyone is doing it, it is considered to be ok. And that means what is cheap, easiest--best for the bottom line.

    We are behind nearly every industrialized nation in this sense. The dollar rules here. That is what WE are made of as a people.

    As for farmers having to treat their animals like gold since they are valuable commodities, think about that one. The factory farming system of modern agriculture strives to maximize output while minimizing costs. You've got thousands of pigs or chickens under a roof. The "bottom line" mentality does not care if you lose a certain percentage of those to disease. It's better to pack them in as thick as possible and write off a certain percentage of loss. I've had this same arguement with people who deny that US human slavery was as bad as it is reported. I have literally had people say to me, "But slave owners had to treat their slaves well or they weren't any good to them. So obviously these reports of mistreatment are overblown." Most people would scoff at this statement. So why do you buy the exact same logic when applied to animals? It is a known fact that slave ships crammed as many human being as would possibly fit, knowing that a large percentage of them would die. That EXACT same mentality is what runs today's factory farms.

    Anyone who denies these things is simply doing so to eradicate any guilt for wanting a particular taste sensation on their tongue.

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    Dottie always says this stuff the best. I'm sure you've had practice.

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    I've been back and forth on going veg for awhile...I do good for a couple weeks, then go back to meat. I've gotten in the habit of cooking lately, though, so I just ordered a couple of vegetarian cook books, hopefully that will help. Stuff like this always makes me disgusted with society...poor aminals
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    Humans arent meant to eat meat?? We can eat whatever we want! Its an amazing thing.

    As for the chart, its hardly anything to be taken seriously because I can think of several animal species that would look at that chart and laugh. Basically what that chart is saying is in order to be a meat eater you have to have big claws, a big mouth, and big sharp teeth.

    Well how would you explain penguins? or dolphins? These two animals are strictly carnviores, they hunt and kill other animals yet they are lacking big sharp teeth, huge mouths or pointed claws.

    What about wolves? carnivore right? Wrong...Wild wolves will graze plants if available.

    That chart has a narrow view of what a carnivore, herbivore and omnivore is. At the end of the day I believe in natures way, the food chain. The big fish eats the little fish and that little fish is delicious!

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    exactly^^^ no one thinks of meat as what it is.. because by the time you've got it on your plate it's already been processed/cooked/packaged/whatever. No one actually thinks of it as a dead animal. Also, no one really thinks of the fact that in a single pound of ground beef, there can be parts from 100 different animals- it's not just one animal you're eating- it's a bunch of animal carcasses ground up and mixed around. You wouldn't eat your cat, you wouldn't eat your dog, you wouldn't eat your horse.. would you? Not to mention humans aren't meant to eat meat:

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    wow thats really disturbing...I def. almost cried. I can't imagine being somebody doing those jobs...I could not stand there and hurt an animal (like the lil piglet) listening to it scream!
    I honestly really like mest and have tried going without it before...but this does make me want to at least rethink where I get my meat from. Like no fast food...if KFC is that bad I'm sure McDonalds isnt any better! I know we have a butcher down the road that I'm pretty sure is pretty humane (you can see the cows outside roaming and grazing).
    What are labels to look for at stores to find humane meat? Or is that really to hard (like I saw it mentioned that free range and cage free can really mean shit) and just buying from a local butcher is better?
    I don't eat pork and I'm pretty sure I could easily go without red meat most of the time...but I don't think I could cut out meat and dairy all together...


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    I would like to point out that chickens are the most abused animals on the face of the planet, far beyond any "red meat" animal.

    Egg laying hens especially. And when they stop laying, they are butchered right along with the rest of them and made into low grade meat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylorlila View Post
    wow thats really disturbing...I def. almost cried. I can't imagine being somebody doing those jobs...I could not stand there and hurt an animal (like the lil piglet) listening to it scream!
    I honestly really like mest and have tried going without it before...but this does make me want to at least rethink where I get my meat from. Like no fast food...if KFC is that bad I'm sure McDonalds isnt any better! I know we have a butcher down the road that I'm pretty sure is pretty humane (you can see the cows outside roaming and grazing).
    What are labels to look for at stores to find humane meat? Or is that really to hard (like I saw it mentioned that free range and cage free can really mean shit) and just buying from a local butcher is better?
    I don't eat pork and I'm pretty sure I could easily go without red meat most of the time...but I don't think I could cut out meat and dairy all together...
    Ask your butcher. With supermarket meat you can't be too sure, labels can be bought. Your butcher has his cows running around? That's probably really good. Ask him about his practices and if you feel right about them, go with him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysondra View Post
    Ask your butcher. With supermarket meat you can't be too sure, labels can be bought. Your butcher has his cows running around? That's probably really good. Ask him about his practices and if you feel right about them, go with him.
    Ask your butcher what? Do you think he's going to tell you if they are mistreated? if he even knows, which I don't think he does unless you are at a farmer's market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    Ask your butcher what? Do you think he's going to tell you if they are mistreated? if he even knows, which I don't think he does unless you are at a farmer's market.
    Don't ask if it's mistreated directly. Ask about his butchering practices. How is the meat killed? How is it stored? How long does it take from the site to be delivered to the butcher? How is it transported? Where is the main farm you get your meat from? Don't make it look like your focus is on the mistreatment of the animals but more or less the cleanliness and health of the meat itself.

    They really should know since they should be getting the meat directly from the farm and 'disassembling' it themselves.


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