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    I've always wondered about this, even though it's kinda weird.
    Say you're half hispanic and white or something, but you look white. You don't have contact with your hispanic side of the family. Well, how do you prove your race if you were to apply for some kind of minority scholarship or something? Or could someone lie about their race to get certain minority loan/scholarship?
    I'm just using the half white/hispanic as an example.

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    Generally your birth certificate is supposed to state your race and the race of your parents. If not, the government can go back and look at the birth records of your ancestors.

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    I have a friend who is half cuban and white, and is blonde, doesn't look hispanic at all and she got some sort of scholarship, (she doesn't have contact w/ her dad's side either) I have no clue how she did it, but it would be interesting to know... since I'm a good percentage Native American and could probably get a scholarship as well

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    Man...so what if a white lady cheats on her white husband with a black man. Gets pregnant. Has the baby, and the baby turns out to be half black. But, they put white on the birth certificate because they were thinking it was the white husbands baby (saw this on Maury the other day lol). Then what??

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    Well, my grandma told me that Native American communities/reservations give scholarships, so maybe you'd have to have a relative in the community to get certain ones...? Cuz I was gonna try for one of those when I was starting college, but I got enough without it and didn't need it.

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    Apparently you can also get DNA testing to prove it.


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    The only instance of this I'm familiar with is Native Status in BC (Canada, probably)...if you're 1/8th or higher Native (any band), you get a status card...you can use it so that you don't pay tax in stores that are on leased reserve land, and also as proof to get minority scholarships.

    Those things are like gold...my aunt is 1/8th and adopted, so really quite removed from the heritage, but she had Uni and law school paid for by gov't grants b/c of her status...yeah I'm envious! I'm 1/32nd, lol.

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    Lucki, for Native American scholarships and grants that is VERY difficult to prove. It takes a lot of paper work and sometimes years for it to go through. At least find out what tribe you are from and go from there. Here is a website that might be helpful http://www.finaid.org/otheraid/natamind.phtml

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    it's barely a fit recompense for how Native Canadians were and remain treated. Likewise for the equivalent situations in america. A few scholarships here and there are hardly things to envy when even with degrees and education, opportunities are still less available.


    it disturbs that people even entertain the idea that they can invoke heritage as a 'perk', to be used to get 'free' stuff and set aside the rest of the time. it's a very white-person pattern of thought, and exceptionally troubling. if a person only cares about their ethnic heritage to get into school, there's a problem, and not with the system attempting in a very tiny way to recompense for past and present wrongs.


    also, in america at least, whites and those who look it are eligible for over 99 percent of the private scholarship money that's available and the majority of the public scholarship money. you can get money for school easily enough being as white as can be without resorting to what can be seen as a form of racial theft.

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    oh right, I forgot, I'm massively racist because I dare to talk about race in anything but a bleak and serious tone. I guess I need to clarify: I don't really equate status scholarships with gold, and I don't actually wish to perform the act of race theft on anyone's scholarship.

    it's a very white-person pattern of thought.
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    Mia I love you dearly... but the more I read your posts in threads about race the more I start to think that maybe you are racist...

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella View Post
    it's a very white-person pattern of thought, and exceptionally troubling.
    I wholehearedly disagree, and I can prove it over and over again from my experience. However, I won't because I'm not interested in debating nor being labeled a racist. It just isn't a pattern of thought unique to white people.

    Taking advantage of what is available from the government, be it for educational scholarships or OTHER benefits, is certainly not unique to one race.

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    Not again, Mia... why???



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    miabella, I am black and I whole heartedly DISAGREE. These scholarships were not created based on how you "look" like but are based on who one's ancestors are. Yes in America, you are going to be treated by how you look like and no one is going to look at what fractions about what you are but that doesn't change what your ancestors have been through.

    I have a friend who is biracial but she looks almost completley white. If she declares herself as black other blacks tell her she shouldn't be allowed to call herself black since she gets all the advantages of being seen as white. But if she calls herself biracial people claim that she is trying to get away from her "blackness". Should my friend not register herself as black since she doesn't look it even though she has sickle cell trait? Should NA scholarships only be given to 100% NAs? (And it's virtually impossible to find someone who is 100% NA).

    Should you be considered by a "one drop rule", what you are fractionally "most" of, what you "look" the most like, or simply what you define yourself as? Where does any of this end?

    Some people also say that blacks from the Carribean, South America and Africa shouldn't be able to take advantage of Affirmitive Action since their ancestors were not slaves in the USA. Foreign born blacks are becoming the majority of blacks in many colleges, especially the Ivy Leagues. (Foreign born blacks are disproportionate in the Top Universities). Do you think they shouldn't be allowed to take advantage of Affirmitive Action which was designed for the descendents of American Slaves? Or should foreign born blacks have their own category?

    Should Hispanic even be a racial category since Hispanics can be of any race?

    50 years ago census takers determined what race you were by how you looked liked. You are a very smart woman mia and you know race is MUCH more complicated than that. What you are suggesting is that race should be classified like it was 50 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alia_of_the_Knife View Post
    50 years ago census takers determined what race you were by how you looked liked. You are a very smart woman mia and you know race is MUCH more complicated than that. What you are suggesting is that race should be classified like it was 50 years ago.
    To state my opinion LC, and to piggyback off of the above quote, in the 2000 census, race was determined by whatever the person said they were, regardless of how they looked.

    Dunno, maybe the same applies for the situation you're asking about. Although I'm aware that Native Americans have special stipulations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckiCharm View Post
    I've always wondered about this, even though it's kinda weird.
    Say you're half hispanic and white or something, but you look white. You don't have contact with your hispanic side of the family. Well, how do you prove your race if you were to apply for some kind of minority scholarship or something? Or could someone lie about their race to get certain minority loan/scholarship?
    I'm just using the half white/hispanic as an example.
    Native Americans are the only group that needs to "prove" their ethnicity. So with that said, one is pretty much free to check whatever box they like when prompted. However, selecting a particular ethnic group for the sole purpose of gaining some sort of advantage when one has never before identified with that group can be likened to ethnic fraud.


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    ^^
    I am faced with this problem...I am a 1/4 MicMac on my fathers side(haha and I'm actually legally adopted...its all in the family but....long story...)...and I have no contact with his family...I can get a hold of him if need be...but I have a feeling it would be be jumping throuhg hoops to prove it. And I had my naming ceremony by an elder and everything


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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylorlila View Post
    ^^
    I am faced with this problem...I am a 1/4 MicMac on my fathers side(haha and I'm actually legally adopted...its all in the family but....long story...)...and I have no contact with his family...I can get a hold of him if need be...but I have a feeling it would be be jumping throuhg hoops to prove it. And I had my naming ceremony by an elder and everything


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    ^^
    Yeah thats all the jumping through hoops...I don't even have my original birth certificate...


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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckiCharm View Post
    Man...so what if a white lady cheats on her white husband with a black man. Gets pregnant. Has the baby, and the baby turns out to be half black. But, they put white on the birth certificate because they were thinking it was the white husbands baby (saw this on Maury the other day lol). Then what??
    My mother's father (my grandfather) was a black man from British Guyana (between Brazil & Venezuela) and her mother (my grandmother) was a white Englishwoman. My mother's sister (my aunt) married a white Canadian (my uncle) and had 2 children (my cousins). My uncle was an executive with a global pharmaceutical company that relocated him over the years to various countries, including Iran, South Africa and Greece.

    In Johannesburg, South Africa, my aunt and cousins--who are light-skinned and have "European" appearances--elected to pass for white during 1970's apartheid and led privileged lives there for several years before moving to Athens, Greece. This created a rift between my aunt and my father, a Nigerian who believed that my Canadian uncle was denying his family their culture by "passing them off as white".

    Fast forward to 2004: Three years ago, both my cousins brought their white Canadian spouses and their young children (who identify as white Canadians) with them from Toronto and Montreal to visit us in Los Angeles. I myself married an African American woman (whose great grandfather was white and great-great grandmother was Cherokee), and we have two children: one fair-skinned son (like me) and one caramel-colored son (like my wife). It was such a trip to watch the children's reactions when we informed them that they were actually blood relatives/cousins. After the initial period of surprise and questions, they shrugged, decided it was "Neat!" and resumed swimming and playing together around the pool.

    The laws of genetics dictate that sooner or later, one of my cousins will have a "black" grandchild that will startle the obstetrician and its parents in Labor & Delivery. I've asked my aunt how she'll deal with that. She shrugs and smiles...

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    I have an acquaintance who is white but was adopted by parents with an hispanic last name. He uses the "Hispanic" box on forms when it will benefit him and has never been questioned.

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