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    Legalised prostitution and SC's?

    Inspired by the 'gentlemen who pay for sex' thread...

    If prostitution was legalised and regulated...how do you think it would affect strip clubs, if at all?

    Would we, lapdancers, fall by the wayside?

    Do you think SC's would morph into brothels?

    I wonder how things would change...
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    Nah cause in my opinion you go to a strip club for the "atmosphere and experience", you visit an AMP (asian massage parlor) for a relaxing massage with happy ending, and you patronize an escort for the "pay and play" experience.

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    um, outside america legal prostitution exists side by side with stripclubs. just fyi.

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    Where I live, the legal brothels are only a half hour drive away.

    Strip clubs get way more business. Strip clubs here don't seem any more dirty than any other clubs...a lot of the prostitutes work as strippers in their off weeks from the brothels...but they actually are clean dancers.

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    IMO it makes the strip clubs cleaner. In Melbourne there are legal brothels everywhere including around the corner from king street (the street where all the sc's are).

    Strip clubs in Melbourne are no touching of the dancer (with the exception of the suburban Kittens chain of sc's but they are not in King street) and you cannot grind etc.

    I think it works well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    IMO it makes the strip clubs cleaner. In Melbourne there are legal brothels everywhere including around the corner from king street (the street where all the sc's are).

    Strip clubs in Melbourne are no touching of the dancer (with the exception of the suburban Kittens chain of sc's but they are not in King street) and you cannot grind etc.

    I think it works well.
    I don't know about that - prostitution is legal here too (albeit in kind of a complicated way - actually to make it simple - outcall is legal; incall is not; communication for the purpose in public is not; so it is legal to place an ad on CL - it is not legal to run a brothel or walk the streets). I don't think it is making the contact in stripclubs lower. At the same time - it doesn't seem to be running them out of business either. I think someone else hit on it - a strip club is a bar. Like you could sit at home and drink alone as well, but there is obviously a difference in doing that and going out to do it, right?

    As well - if I may point out - regulation and decriminalization are not the same thing and one does not need to follow the other.
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    Right now the only place in the US that has legal brothels is in Nevada and it's quite a long ways out of town for those visiting Las Vegas. With that comes a sort of "... for the really bad men, you can take an expensive cab ride out into the styx" feel to it.

    But what if the brothels were side by side with the SCs, a few minutes from the strip?

    See if that was the case I don't think the SCs would be out of business necessarily for the same reason that all nude clubs haven't put topless clubs out of business, but I do think they'd feel some impact, and it really depends on what the brothels do.

    If the brothels sell drinks, or smaller minute increments, or VIP like experiences with extras optional; if over time the stigma decreases and the quality of the girls willing to work the brothels increases, then yea, I think you'd see some fairly significant loss of business. But probably not over night. Laws and social beliefs are never static things. Initially I think there'd be enough separation of the two that SCs would be fine, however over time? It's not hard to imagine a future in which the two converge.

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    I think that it needs to be pointed out that the services offered in most Nevada brothels are out of most people's price range.

    It also needs to be pointed out that outside the English speaking world, that strip clubs, exempting some high class upscale clubs, pretty much are brothels.
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    I think it would keep the guys who come into strip clubs looking for a prostitute away... Not all strip club customers are looking to have sex with someone. On the other hand, while prostitution is illegal here... It's still possible to get a prostitute pretty damn easily... Much more easily than from a strip club, I think. Yet, they still come in and try to do it..
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    Jenny said better than I could have, but the legal version of prostitution around here really hasn't made our clubs pristine. It does make them whine about spending "$300 for an hour of dancing when I could get an escort for $250" once in a while. But then I just say "why don't you?".

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish View Post
    I think that it needs to be pointed out that the services offered in most Nevada brothels are out of most people's price range.
    Outside of a handful of lapdances, most strip clubs are out of most people's price range as well. The same is true with flying out to Bangkok (though the services once you get there are cheap) or using a high end escort service.

    As for the OP, if prostitution were "legalized and regulated" I don't think it would hurt strippers. It seems like strippers in Melbourne and Nevada are doing just find. A SC experience is different from a brothel experience. If prostitution were "decriminalized" than I think we would be up sh!t's creek w/ out a paddle.

    Legalizing and regulating it, especially if it were formulated into either licensed brothels or licensed escort services, would leave strip clubs out of the loop. It would also be the safest for prostitutes and patrons. (I am often baffled when a SC customer gives me his hotel key. I could get a big boyfriend of mine to come over, beat his @$$, and steal his shit.) Also regulating it would mean that there would be regular STD checks.

    Decriminalizing it would cause SCs to be brothels because there would be nothing to prohibit extras. Street walkers would be free to walk around offering whatever type of ridiculously small price and putting their lives in danger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bella21 View Post
    I think it would keep the guys who come into strip clubs looking for a prostitute away... Not all strip club customers are looking to have sex with someone. On the other hand, while prostitution is illegal here... It's still possible to get a prostitute pretty damn easily... Much more easily than from a strip club, I think. Yet, they still come in and try to do it..
    Yeah, I don't understand that either. It's not like it's that hard to find a prostitute but you still have some guy whinning about not being able to get laid from these "uptight" strippers. I even tell them now to pick up a copy of the free times and look but then they whine and say that they can't see what they are getting. Idjits...

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish View Post
    I think that it needs to be pointed out that the services offered in most Nevada brothels are out of most people's price range.
    Well this is relevant, as it is a reason that people might keep going to strip clubs - it is cheaper.

    It also needs to be pointed out that outside the English speaking world, that strip clubs, exempting some high class upscale clubs, pretty much are brothels.
    I am interested in why you think this is helpful or "needs to be pointed out". I mean, considering that we have a working understanding of what constitutes a "strip club" here that is not really under contention, and that these places to which you are referring are pretty much outside our purview of concern - like we all know that they do something much different than what we do - what's your point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alia_of_the_Knife View Post
    Yeah, I don't understand that either. It's not like it's that hard to find a prostitute but you still have some guy whinning about not being able to get laid from these "uptight" strippers.
    I don't know how much of an issue it is outside of the USA where prostitution is legalized, but in the USA, with the exception of one small city in Nevada, dealing with an escort or prostitute is like buying illegal drugs. The customer doesn't know if it's a setup, or if the police are following her and planning to bust her for some other reasons. That's not a minor risk. You are talking about possible jail time, a public trial, heavy fines.

    As soon as you factor in that risk it becomes a lot more obvious why so many guys would rather take their chances in a S.C.

    At least in the S.C. if it's going on, chances are the club owners are watching the doors for cops, and may have even paid them off. OTC, with a complete stranger, it's nothing but pure risk. Also for the customer that is worried about some unknown prostitute's pimp coming in and robbing him, that's a lot less likely to happen in a S.C.


    Quote Originally Posted by Alia_of_the_Knife View Post
    I even tell them now to pick up a copy of the free times and look but then they whine and say that they can't see what they are getting. Idjits...
    I don't see this as a whine though. It's very relevant to the buyer. The fact that you've had so many guys say just that is proof that it does matter to the buyers. While you may not grasp it from the point of view of seeing it the way they see it, you can take it on faith that for most men the visual aspects are a very important part of what turns them on sexually, and leaving it up to chance is analogous to spending $500 on concert tickets without knowing who/what kind of music you will be hearing. While some guys just want to get off with a warm body, most (the vast majority) want to see the girl first.

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    I think about it this way: you're a woman and your husband confesses something to you. Either

    a) He went to an SC with some buddies after happy hour and got a few lapdances.

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    b) He went to a prostitute and had sex with her.

    How many women would leave their husband over a? How about b? SC will still be around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage View Post
    I don't know how much of an issue it is outside of the USA where prostitution is legalized, but in the USA, with the exception of one small city in Nevada, dealing with an escort or prostitute is like buying illegal drugs. The customer doesn't know if it's a setup, or if the police are following her and planning to bust her for some other reasons. That's not a minor risk. You are talking about possible jail time, a public trial, heavy fines.

    As soon as you factor in that risk it becomes a lot more obvious why so many guys would rather take their chances in a S.C.
    That is why many men use high end, reputable, escort services. They have a reputation to protect. Even when these high end services get busted it is extremely rare for their Johns to ever be prosecuted. And SCs that may be heavy into prostitution can be raided too. Either way there is a risk. Then again, it may be hard for any man to simply qualify for such an escort service. That is one reason why many men I know go overseas for prostitutes.

    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage View Post
    At least in the S.C. if it's going on, chances are the club owners are watching the doors for cops, and may have even paid them off. OTC, with a complete stranger, it's nothing but pure risk. Also for the customer that is worried about some unknown prostitute's pimp coming in and robbing him, that's a lot less likely to happen in a S.C.
    You have a point there but that only works ITC. Many of these guys want sex OTC. I know a girl that I work with who arranges to see guys OTC and has her boyfriend/pimp beat up men.

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    I don't see this as a whine though. It's very relevant to the buyer. The fact that you've had so many guys say just that is proof that it does matter to the buyers. While you may not grasp it from the point of view of seeing it the way they see it, you can take it on faith that for most men the visual aspects are a very important part of what turns them on sexually, and leaving it up to chance is analogous to spending $500 on concert tickets without knowing who/what kind of music you will be hearing. While some guys just want to get off with a warm body, most (the vast majority) want to see the girl first.
    Now with the internet it is possible to view how escorts look online. Many of the high end escort services do this. Yes pictures can be deceiving and it's not the same as viewing them in a line up like on the bunny ranch or in booths in Amsterdam, but it's something.

    Either way, unless you live in Houston or San Fransisco, it will be much easier to get sex from an escort than from a stripper. Even for the few strippers I have known who do sell themselves, they tend to charge a LOT more than escorts. So you are dealing with getting an escort which is less time or money, or dealing with strippers which is going to be more time finding one that is available and more money spent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alia_of_the_Knife View Post
    Either way there is a risk. That is one reason why many men I know go overseas for prostitutes.
    Yea, there is a risk either way. Personally I don't use escorts or do extras, and part of the reason (although not the primary reason) is I just don't need to screw up my life with a jail bust just for the sake of getting off. Still, I can relate to why a lot of guys would be really spooked by an escort vs walking into a club where the initial interactions with the dancers are legal, and he feels he can do some intuitive based filtering of the girl first.

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    IMHO if prostitution were legalized ...

    Upscale clubs would probably not be affected at all. Business guys will still pay well to see and spend time with very beautiful girls in a club setting without expecting sex.

    'Dirty' clubs would probably be affected for the better. Today's 'games' and 'denials' would stop, and both customers and girls could move straight to the business transaction without having to 'look over their shoulder'.

    However, in all probability, legalized prostitution would severely damage the 'middle of the road' clubs. Customer expectations would rise, but their spending habits would not. In countries where prostitution is legal, there aren't any 'middle of the road' clubs to speak of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylinn View Post
    Where I live, the legal brothels are only a half hour drive away.

    Strip clubs get way more business. Strip clubs here don't seem any more dirty than any other clubs...
    Yup. Same here.

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    I work on the Gold Coast where the customer is allowed to touch the dancer. Plus the majority of all the strip clubs in Australia are nude and licensed.

    Here on the Gold Coast there are at least three brothels that I know of that are 10 min taxi from Surfers Paradise (where all the strip clubs are located)... even more around the place... and if you're willing to drive half hour + you can visit the brothels in Tweed Heads.

    Brothels and Escorts abound on the Gold Coast.

    Even prior to the local brothels existing there were the Tweed Heads ones people would visit.

    As far as I'm aware, it hasn't affected business.


    Quote Originally Posted by mollyzmoon View Post
    Jenny said better than I could have, but the legal version of prostitution around here really hasn't made our clubs pristine. It does make them whine about spending "$300 for an hour of dancing when I could get an escort for $250" once in a while. But then I just say "why don't you?".
    Yup, that is a pretty standard line everywhere (or so has been my experience).


    The SC industry is fine and dandy compared to you guys in the US.

    No one would even DARE do anything along the lines of what I read at times on here such as HJs, BJs, fingering etc. They would get their ass fired and/or put in jail by some clubs. If a club does allow it, it is because it does have a brothel license and thus is no longer 'technically' a SC. Just a brothel masquerading as a SC.

    There are a few of those around in Canberra - brothels that masquerade as SCs.


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    With a little care, common sense and research, prostitution/escorting is defacto "legal" in the sense that the bust risk is next to nothing. Most experienced guys are aware of this. Considering that guys still go and will spend more for less at a strip club, it's clear that the club offers an entertainment component that is enjoyable beyond the POP index. Personally, I like the atmosphere and would still club even if the full monty was officially legal here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    With a little care, common sense and research, prostitution/escorting is defacto "legal" in the sense that the bust risk is next to nothing. Most experienced guys are aware of this. Considering that guys still go and will spend more for less at a strip club, it's clear that the club offers an entertainment component that is enjoyable beyond the POP index. Personally, I like the atmosphere and would still club even if the full monty was officially legal here.

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    I agree. I do both, I enjoy both and I like things just fine the way they are. I know a couple of ladies who have been busted but, if you are careful, it's rare. I can't see myself giving up clubs anytime soon. Besides, legalizing prostitution would only drive up the price. This would ultimately help the clubs, not hurt them.
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