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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    Yes, BEAUTIFUL YOUNG WOMEN do have it easier...to an extent. And sadly, misoginists gauge their hadred of women on that. However, once a woman ages and loses that mystique, she needs to be a part of the real world, and deal with the same problems. Not to mention women who aren't sexy to begin with.....
    I remember Gloria Steinem pointing out that men gain power as they age, while women LOSE it. It's a blanket statement, but I think there's a lot of truth to it.

    So yeah, by virgoamm's criteria, IF she's lucky enough to be beautiful, a woman (in the Western hemisphere - one of this whole debate's inherent flaws anyway) could be considered more powerful . . . For a few years. Think about how so many of us make mean, nasty, catty remarks about older women who've had too much plastic surgery. There's your formerly powerful woman who used to "get pretty much ANYTHING (she) wants by flirting a bit, batting (her) eyelashes or showing (her) cleavage with a sweet smile on (her) face", who has invested her self-worth in her attractiveness, and cannot understand why it's all slipping through her fingers.

    I think this is a stupid, immature debate. There is just no way for our emotions to not get in the way. I want to say men have it easier, but its not always the case.
    But ultimately, I agree most with this. Talk about a thread that's guaranteed to go in circles . . . Look. The grass is always greener. Don't judge anyone until you've walked a mile in their moccasins. And above all:

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    men.

    in the western world it's pretty close to parity because of many of the laws but i'd still give the edge to men due to deep cultural prejudices that still exist.

    but for the rest of the world (3/4 of it), it goes to men hands-down. it's not even close. women are 2nd-class citizens and sometimes if that. the cultural prejudices are frickin' taught and enforced!

    i absolutely would never allow my girls to go live in a non-western world (frankly, including their mom's native country although i'd just strongly recommend in that case). not that i want them separated from their mom but they're basically screwed to the wall by simply being a woman there.

    when my ex-wife pondered out loud that she might want to do the divorce in her country i looked at her in bewilderment. i said, "so you want to automatically lose? huh?" stupid me, i convinced her she had a better chance here, which she really did. (obviously it was a very amicable divorce)

    but definitely men.

    although i don't like the monopoly women hold on vagina access. we still need to negotiate better trade relations on that imho.

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    how come i saw the thread title and knew right away who had posted it????

    i agree with katrine. the debate is ridiculous.

    easier how??? biologically?? physically? legally? in the east? west? in the social/work/relationship sphere???? it's a terribly general and silly question.

    men have it easier at the moment because of inequalities in the current societal structure. we both have hormonal fluctuations; just because women get periods doesn't mean men have it easier physically- plus women have the ability to give birth, and we live longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackSheEp3 View Post
    Man or woman, who's got it easier? Take into consideration every possible factor that could contribute to your choice.
    Quote Originally Posted by Embyr View Post
    easier how??? biologically?? physically? legally? in the east? west? in the social/work/relationship sphere???? it's a terribly general and silly question.


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    ^^ (sorry... i don't mean to come off as 'flaming,' just trying to illustrate the complexity of such a general statement like 'having it easier' when pertaining to the century-defying 'gender wars...')

    i do believe the general response will be 'men,' though, and for the present & foreseeable future, i will agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoseWhite View Post
    So yeah, by virgoamm's criteria, IF she's lucky enough to be beautiful, a woman (in the Western hemisphere - one of this whole debate's inherent flaws anyway) could be considered more powerful . . . For a few years. Think about how so many of us make mean, nasty, catty remarks about older women who've had too much plastic surgery. There's your formerly powerful woman who used to "get pretty much ANYTHING (she) wants by flirting a bit, batting (her) eyelashes or showing (her) cleavage with a sweet smile on (her) face", who has invested her self-worth in her attractiveness, and cannot understand why it's all slipping through her fingers.
    You're right. I just think that a woman's sexuality can be a very powerful thing. Hey, it's our bread and butter (for now, at least).

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    HUH. What? I shouldn't have even clicked the mouse. Silly. Neither, I guess.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackSheEp3 View Post
    Man or woman, who's got it easier? Take into consideration every possible factor that could contribute to your choice.
    As a species, men by far have more power and wealth than women. You have to consider all nations and all races when making that statement. It is probably very good to be a woman in some places like Sweden or Japan. But for the most part women are treated like chattel throughout most of the world.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lestat1 View Post
    Seriously: in what country?

    In the U.S. men make up ~82% of the victims of all violent crimes. Yes, they also make up like 98+% percent of the attackers, but we are also waaaaaaaaay more likely to be the victim of a violent crime. Despite what Disney and Lifetime may project as reality, the vast majority of violence in America is 18-24 year old urban males attacking 18-24 year old urban males.

    For rapes, women make up the vast majority of the victims.

    For carjackings and armed robeery, men and women are equally victimized.

    For all other violent crimes (assault, murder, etc.) men are far more likely to be the victim.
    I think she meant by the opposite sex. Or at least that is how I took it. Men beat the crap out of each other as a form of entertainment.


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    It depends. In the USA... a country created by white men for white men... I'd say men have it "easier". But, and this is only if I remember my stats correctly, I'd say that white women have it easier then black men.

    Oh yes, and I had a nightmare last night that I'd gotten pregnant and I was about to go into labor and I was all stressed because I hadn't had time to go number two beforehand to... prevent stuff.... So yea, once again, men have it easier. Definately.
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    I would like to clarify this situation by asking how many women have used the phrase "If only I were a man..."

    Vs. how many men would use the phrase "If only I were a woman..."

    Regularly one will hear men bragging about how great it is to not have to indulge in the grooming upkeep, menstrual cycles, childbirth or high heels.

    Regularly you will hear women wishing for those exact same things that men brag about.

    I've never heard a (straight) man say how he wished he could spend two hours a day just putting on his makeup and fixing his hair.

    I've never heard of a man wish that he could flirt with his (unappealing) boss to get a raise not based on merit but based on his sex appeal to her.

    I've never heard a man say that he wished he had periods and PMS and menopause.

    I've often heard women use the phrase "If I were a man, this would be a non-issue."

    Women not only have to be smart and competent and hard working to get ahead, they also must be physically attractive in today's video focused world.

    A female equivalent of Marilyn Manson, no matter how talented an artist, would never make it in the music industry. He is ugly as hell, but that is part of what makes him so interesting.

    What if she was the greatest song writer ever?


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    I hear James Brown's voice in my ear-

    "It's a maaaaan's world."

    (But it wouldn't be nothing without a woman or a girl)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    Plus the whole 70 cents to the dollar thing we deal with,,,,
    Isn't that by choice? (I've only read a mere handful or so of gender studies/feminist work, and it's been almost 10 years now, so this is really more me being curious than me trying to debate - so anyone please correct me where I'm wrong).

    The studies always seem to go back and forth, but the last one I read stated that women as a whole made ~70% of what men make, but within a given profession and with all else being equal, the pay tended to almost equal out. Is that still how it's reported?

    My impression was that women have the choice and opportunity to become engineers and computer scientists but they don't choose to as often as men. My univeristy (big engineering/comp sci/architecture university) had a 4:1 male:female ratio. They were desperate to get more women to apply; they hated the appearance of that ratio, the guys hated it (naturally), and so they had so many programs and efforts to seek out female applicants. The year after I left they were back down to a 5:1 ratio, which is still up from the 8:1 in the early 90s. I literally had classes with one female student. My Computer Science I. lecture hall class of about ~260 students had (by my count one day) 5 female students in the room!

    I think the money for women is there, they just have to choose to pursue the fields that offer it.
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    Default Re: Man or woman, who has it easier?

    when smart: men
    when stupid: beautiful women

    ugly women have it slightly better than ugly men

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    Quote Originally Posted by lestat1 View Post
    Isn't that by choice? (I've only read a mere handful or so of gender studies/feminist work, and it's been almost 10 years now, so this is really more me being curious than me trying to debate - so anyone please correct me where I'm wrong).
    Thats true to a point and def. neds to be taken into consideration. But it still exists where a male applicant will be offered more for the exact same position then a female applicant where education and experience are equal.

    Ex:
    From 2003 to 2004, the pay for a male spectroscopist increased by $2660, from $72,690 to $75,350. From 2004 to this year, however, the increase was a miniscule $290.


    Figure 3. Male vs. Female Salaries, 2003-2005.
    On the other hand, a female spectroscopist saw a decrease in her 2003-2004 salary by $220 — $58,900 to $58,680. 2005's figure ($65,450) represents a $6770 increase (see Figure 3).

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    Default Re: Man or woman, who has it easier?

    Men.

    From day one there are fewer hurdles for men to overcome in life than women.

    Society is constructed to assist men, and continue to assist them up and away.

    This is why I wanted a son, and why I'm so glad I got one. It would break my heart to have to tell my daughter that even though the feminist movement has made loads of headway, she will still suffer gender discrimination her whole life.

    Resting on your beauty may make certain things 'easier' but it comes with a price. Being the smartest girl in the class doesn't matter if you're of child-bearing age.

    Discrimination is still as real as it ever was and unfortunately, for biological or whatever reasons, it always will be. (Even if indirectly and unspoken).

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    Depends upon the person. In some ways women have it easier and in some ways men have it easier. The question seems divisive.

    Men face stress and image problems just as much as women. It just comes in a different form. For those that think men have it much easier then why do men live shorter lives?

    I will finish by quoting writer HL Mencken (may not be the exact quote):

    'Men have it much easier than women. First, they marry later. Second, the die sooner."

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    Men. They command a certain amount of respect just by being male. I've seen it in the workplace -- people are slower to question a man's authority. Since models and dancers make up a much smaller amount of the working population, I'd say men have a better advantage in the workplace....batting your eyelashes is a pretty limited commodity.

    But regardless, I love being a woman.

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    Each has its place and purpose. Neither has it "better" than the other.

    It is the whole ying/yang thing going on.........


    Not to mention the majority of people responding to this thread are "western" or (at least) "westernised" people thus this culture will scew your POV.

    There are too many variables to say absolutely that one has it "easier" than the other... plus what does "easier" really mean anyway? In what way is it "easier" for someone? In what areas ?


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    BTW, I don't think beautiful women have it easier. There's so much jealousy surrounding that and wondering if you're loved for who you are (much like a man who is filthy rich). And guys gawking at you, bothering you....Do handsome men have it better? I think, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lestat1 View Post
    Isn't that by choice? (I've only read a mere handful or so of gender studies/feminist work, and it's been almost 10 years now, so this is really more me being curious than me trying to debate - so anyone please correct me where I'm wrong).

    The studies always seem to go back and forth, but the last one I read stated that women as a whole made ~70% of what men make, but within a given profession and with all else being equal, the pay tended to almost equal out. Is that still how it's reported?

    My impression was that women have the choice and opportunity to become engineers and computer scientists but they don't choose to as often as men. My univeristy (big engineering/comp sci/architecture university) had a 4:1 male:female ratio. They were desperate to get more women to apply; they hated the appearance of that ratio, the guys hated it (naturally), and so they had so many programs and efforts to seek out female applicants. The year after I left they were back down to a 5:1 ratio, which is still up from the 8:1 in the early 90s. I literally had classes with one female student. My Computer Science I. lecture hall class of about ~260 students had (by my count one day) 5 female students in the room!

    I think the money for women is there, they just have to choose to pursue the fields that offer it.
    Only for the blue collar sector. Poor women are usually more poor than poor men because the women raise the kids (with so many single moms out there, this makes sense).

    Have you ever noticed that when women start working jobs traditionally held by men, the wages begin to fall?

    I also find it interesting that when men show an interest in doing a traditionally female job, the wages start going up?

    Two good examples would be:
    1. Banking. Up until the 1960's the majority of bank employees were men. the wages were respectable middle class wages. Today the industry is dominated by women and the average starting wage for a bank teller is near or at Minimum wage.

    2. Nursing. Traditionally nurses have been female. More men have entered the field since the 1970's to the point that a full third of new nursing students are male. the wages have climbed quite bit in recent years, as well.

    Also, How many Female CEO's have there been in fortune 500 companies in the last 10 years? Certainly not anywhere near the 50% mark, I guarantee it. People say women aren't ruthless enough to do that job, but I've met some shrewd business women working in the strip clubs. Ruthless would be an understatement for those women!


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    I actually haven't noticed that trend. I've only worked a few places, and at them there wasn't a gender disparity in income I was aware of. Maybe I'm just sheltered.

    In general though, wouldn't you expect that any job that is booming enough to attract people who typically would not apply to be, well, booming? In demand? I would reverse the cause and effect and say that because the field is booming, wages are going up, and thus attracting a larger and broader range of applicants.

    Female CEOs? I think you're right on that one at the moment. There doesn't seem to be the huge discrepency there once was with more men going into business than women. However, I think that is a more recent trend, and it takes decades of experience to be a Fortune 500 CEO. Maybe in the 80s to 90s women started getting a more fair share in business, but that's too late. I predict that when people of my generation's age (I'm 29) reach CEO age (50 and 60s) we'll see more of them, but for now the women who are of CEO age are still handicapped by the inequality of the 60s and 70s. I'm going to have to go with: "not my fault, I was still a sperm at the time."

    On the banking, I would expect bank teller wages to have plummeted since the 1960s. A bank teller used to have to be fairly smart to do their job (just think about having no calculators), now computers do most of their job for them...a job which is much smaller anyway due to ATMs. Bank teller wages shouldn't be near minimum wage, they should be at minimum wage. They work in a nice safe environment with, in my observation, less need to tolerate obnoxious customers (hehe "security!") Give the couple bucks above minimum wage to the people working fast food and retail jobs; they deserve it more.
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    ...What I'd give to wake up for one day and be 6'2" and 190 lbs. Men for sure.

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    Beautiful women and wealthy men have it the easiest. Ugly women and poor men have it the worst.

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