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    Quote Originally Posted by kandie_kitten View Post
    That has to be horrible, not even being acknowledged.
    Just on the other side - there are SO MANY homeless people and panhandlers in urban areas, that the "non-acknowledgment" is because they are just part of the landscape. I mean there are stretches here where you'd be "sorry, man; sorry, man; sorry, man" if you wanted to do that.

    They do have to eat eventually, or else die. So I know some of it will go towards food.
    Funny story - I was talking to a homeless guy (don't ask how I get into random conversations with strange homeless men) and he said that he regularly assured people that gave him money that he ate everyday - because if he didn't, there was no way he could drink as much as he did. It was funny, not sad - just in case you were wondering.
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    I understand that it would be hard to respond to everyone, but this man was alone, talking to the people at the terminal waiting for the trains. Most didn't even look up from their newspaper, or just stared right through him.

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    I give what I can, wether it be money or food. That's just the way I am. Some may think I'm crazy for doing this, but I don't give a rat's ass.. It makes me happy to help when and where I can.
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    My policy is simply to never give money to a homeless person. I will however provide food. If someone is hungry enough to ask for for food then I'll provide food for them.

    Even something as simple as providing food can have its problems. I have suddenly had several other people on hard times asking for food after observing a similar generosity toward one.

    My brother has worked jobs at the lowest rank all his life. He suffered from being at war - the idea that some of us are expendible still pisses me off, he got in trouble with the law, got raped in prison, he nearly drowned a perpetrating prisoner in a jail commode, he had so much happen against him but he has never held his hand out for begging. He worked crap jobs all his life instead. His eyes are tired, his skin is cracked but there is beautiful light in him. He never cries but I cry for him. He lived in a little box of a place for endless years. He lived an imaginary existence in that little box. He didn't spend his money on much of anything. He saved and then one day ... he bought himself this little house...it's his little house now...I've just put a roof on it for him. May he live many happy years in his bigger box. *smiling*

    Homeless people look hapless but they are not helpless. Don't ask me for money.

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    I was in Montreal the other weekend and there were alot, a lot of homeless people, more than I've seen in Boston or Portland, or anywhere I've been. It made me sad...but what made me more sad was when I tried to give some spare money and my bf would squeeze my hand and drag me so I couldn't! I was so pissed! He's giving me the whole "they make so much money blah blah" maybe some of them do, but thats my choice. Luckily his brother told him he was an asshole and gave them money.

    I was telling my mom about it, and she was telling me stories about this homeless man and his dog that would sit outside an upscale bakery/deli, and that they'd always get their food, and something for him, I thought that was nice. She said my brother wouldn't give money, but he'd take them to mcdonalds or wherever with him and buy them lunch.


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    My policy is simply to never give money to a homeless person. I will however provide food. If someone is hungry enough to ask for for food then I'll provide food for them.

    Even something as simple as providing food can have its problems. I have suddenly had several other people on hard times asking for food after observing a similar generosity toward one.

    My brother has worked jobs at the lowest rank all his life. He suffered from being at war - the idea that some of us are expendible still pisses me off, he got in trouble with the law, got raped in prison, he nearly drowned a perpetrating prisoner in a jail commode, he had so much happen against him but he has never held his hand out for begging. He worked crap jobs all his life instead. His eyes are tired, his skin is cracked but there is beautiful light in him. He never cries but I cry for him. He lived in a little box of a place for endless years. He lived an imaginary existence in that little box. He didn't spend his money on much of anything. He saved and then one day ... he bought himself this little house...it's his little house now...I've just put a roof on it for him. May he live many happy years in his bigger box. *smiling*

    Homeless people look hapless but they are not helpless. Don't ask me for money.
    Okay, this is why so much bad blood gets injected into these conversations. If you don't want to give spare change - don't. If you don't want to give to charity - don't. And of course we all realize that no individual can support the homeless population of her city, any more than she can support every worthy charity. You don't need an excuse. You don't need to paint the refusal to give charity with some kind of ethical brush. If you don't have change, or your change is earmarked for other things, or you don't like the look of panhandlers - fine. I mean it - it's fine. There is nothing wrong with that. Nobody is trying to force you to. But me, I personally resent it and get irritable when people feel the need to frame that in such a way as to make it sound like I'M doing something wrong, or encouraging bad social ethics, or being bamboozled or being stupid because I do. We are not judging you because you don't give away your spare change - we just don't want to be judged because we do. You don't need to be so defensive because some people have different charitable impulses than you do.
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    On Wednesday a friend and I went downtown to grab a bite to eat. While we walked around trying to find a place with an open kitchen (it was late), I was approached twice by (homeless?) ''panhandlers.'' They were within three paces of each other. Both asked if they could, ''have a dollar.''

    The first was a man who looked like he'd had a very hard life and had been on drugs at some point. I didn't break my stride as he approached and said, ''Naw, I don't have it. I wish I did. Damn. Can I get one?''

    My friend and I hadn't gone three paces when a woman with bleach-blond hair who appeared to be in her 30's asked for a dollar from a stoop. She was sitting with a guy. Unlike the man who asked me for money, she appeared to be well kept and clean with not-toxshabby clothes. She looked like she was on a dope high though.

    I think that I said no to the guy because he was more aggressive in his approach. He actually walked towards me (my friend was kind of lagging behind). If I had actually paused and given him a chance to get within close proximity of me and I had been alone, he would've had the opportunity to do anything.

    I know that a good number of the homeless panhandlers do have mental and/or emotional imbalances.
    The state mental hospital here kicks out a disproportionate # of minority patients before they have been rehabilitated. So, they are put right back where they were before or worse.

    Plenty of these people I imagine are on the edge and are desperate. They may be at the point where they are ready to do just about ANYthing to survive. And my ''no'' may just be the last straw for some desperate soul. That said, I am cautious when it comes to people asking for money.

    I said no to the lady with the because, well she looked good. What I mean is that she didn't look destitute. I commented to my friend that she could've spent the money she used on her hair to get her fix.

    That's when my friend asked me if I had a thing against homeless people asking for money. I told him I didn't, and I don't but I guess I was a little salty that night too b/c they asked me for money amd not him. It was as if they were picking the easiest targets- like I was the most likely to give. Maybe I am a softy/sucker but I sure as hell don't like being reminded of it on the street.

    Yesterday afternoon I saw a guy on the median strip of a major road in a monied part town (Towson, MD) just off the beltway. He had a sign and appeared to be neat and clean. He however, was a younger guy no older than 26 with a severe leg deformity. His knees seemed to be permanently bent at 120% angles or something. He couldn't straighten them and had a mean hobble thing going on. He was out there on the median strip all alone at this busy, but not pedestrian friendly, intersection and not one person stopped to give him money even at the red light! That made me mad (go figure) and it pained me to see him out there like that. I helped him out with a little cash and told him I hoped he made some money that day. He told me that he would, and that he would head in about 4 o'clock. He asked me what time it was and I told him. That was pretty much it. I don't know why seeing that guy affected me so much or why seeing all those well-to-do people ignore him (I mean, they couldn't give $1???) made me so angry. Maybe part of me identified with the fact that his hustle seemed futile. It seemed like he SHOULD have been making a lot of money, but he wasn't-sort of like stripping for me....

    Um, so sometimes I do give and other times I don't. I guess it just depends on my mood/gut at the moment. But no, I don't ask questions or try to lecture when I do give $.

    Sometimes seeing people without homes who panhandle reminds me how easy it is for any human to find himself without a dwelling to call home (with or without a drug addiction). It's scary. I can only imagine the courage it takes to humble oneself to ask another for help - money or otherwise.

    Yeah, I guess I'm all over the place with my feelings on this one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferret View Post
    Homeless people look hapless but they are not helpless. Don't ask me for money.
    I have to aggree here. I do not give money to panhandlers. Because many times they are more likely to go up to a woman in am intimidating way in order to get money. This past summer when I was in montreal. A panhandler was even hitting up my blind friend who had two young kids in tow. She has next to nothing since her move to montreal. Here in Dallas about 99% of panhandlers are males. But truthfully nationwide most of the homeless and impoverished are single mothers with children. I give to organizations that help the homeless single mothers and their children. Not to the overly agressive panhandlers in Dallas.
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