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    Is there such a thing as preventative cosmetic surgery? Things like getting threads or stitches are placed so you don't look different but in 20 years you won't need a lift later? Kind-of like a pre-boob job lift or something. Ahhh, that doesn't make sense so I'll use the example I wanna do.

    I'm terrified in 10-15 years of my chin turning into my mother's. She has like 8 chins, and all from age and sagging like a chicken. I'm also convinced that a sagging chin is like the #1 sign of aging.

    Could I get threads or a lift done pre sagging? Just so in ten years I don't sag? I figured this would actually be better because it wouldn't be corrective, it'd be preventative.. and they say an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

    Yes I realize I'm on a cosmetic surgery kick lately. Might as well get all my research done at once. Just so see what I can/cannot do later.


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    All that getting a lift now would do is make you look like Joan River's tight-skinned cousin. Scary!
    If it gets really bad you can get a lift.

    Until then, drink lots of water, get sleep, take good care of yourself, and don't tan. Overdoing cosmetic surgery will probably make everything worse both now and then.

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    I don't want to get a lift now... I was just thinking getting like.. the threads or stuff put IN now so it won't sag later. Like, staple my current shit in place, not move it. Haha. If that makes ANY sense. I just don't want to spend a single day with my mum's chicken chin. :/


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    The only thing even vaguely like that that I can think of is people putting tiny tiny gold threads into saggy areas to stimulate collagen production and firm up the skin. Still, you can't do that really until things are starting to sag a bit.

    The collagen fibers themselves in your skin are what "staple your shit in place," and it's when you get old or your skin gets damaged they start failing. We aren't to the point yet that we can really replicate that.

    There is some good evidence that face products containing Q10 or active copper can keep your skin looking youthful longer (as in: use them now, stave off the chicken chin). They can be expensive, but they don't make you wrinkle worst later like Retin-A and there are actually studies showing a significant result. I'm using the Neutrogena face cream with copper; it certainly seems to help my smile lines.

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    Some people start getting botox injections in their TWENTIES as a preventive measure against wrinkles and lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChloeTheRed View Post
    There is some good evidence that face products containing Q10 or active copper can keep your skin looking youthful longer (as in: use them now, stave off the chicken chin). They can be expensive, but they don't make you wrinkle worst later like Retin-A and there are actually studies showing a significant result. I'm using the Neutrogena face cream with copper; it certainly seems to help my smile lines.
    Can you elaborate on the Retin-A please? I've never heard of this and am interested in learning more.


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    JFC, whats with the body obsession lately?!
    Healthy living and healthy attitude towards yourself and life will work wonders.
    Not to blow my own trumpet but Im sailing through life with the same looking body I had in 1982, and the face aint too bad either. I hope that says something.

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    My reasons for my body issues lately are long and involved and give out who I am too much. But let me say this, I seriously have my reasons.


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    AussiePunk is a great example of doing the right things to stay young.

    I dont have a pic up but ya know what? I think I am too!

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    Regarding Retin-A:
    Your skin, like virtually every other tissue in your body, has specialized stem cells. For example, your liver has liver-specific stem cells. Every time they divide in order to replace a dead cell, it gives one liver cell and one liver-specific stem cell. This can happen many times (70 or more), but after a stem cell has divided many many times, the division results in two liver cells and no stem cell. If the liver is abused, the pool of stem cells will eventually start to get smaller, which will contribute to disease. We replace liver cells naturally throughout our life, as well; some will die for any number of reasons that have nothing to do with something we did wrong. No matter how terrifically you take care of yourself, your pool of stem cells may start to shrink well before you die of old age (in many organs/organ systems, this contributes to the various diseases of aging).

    We slough off dead skin all the time, and skin stem cells divide to produce new skin and replace it. When people get very old, their skin gets thin and fragile, and wounds take longer to heal. This is partially due to the fact that their pool of skin stem cells has shrunk substantially.
    Retin-A artificially stimulates the skin cells to divide, producing more younger skin cells (hence that lovely glowing look you get when you've been using it). Unfortunately, there's nothing to indicate that long-term use of Retin-A doesn't result in what is basically a speeding up the aging process. To my knowledge, there have been no studies on what Retin-A use does to skin condition ten and twenty years down the road. There's no evidence that it will make you look 20 when you're 30 but then 60 when you're 50. Still, there's no evidence that it won't; personally, I'm not willing to take that risk.

    I guess what it comes down to is that there is a limit to what you can do to your skin before the damage starts to show. That's why I don't like tanning and I'm very wary of Retin-A.

    EDIT: I bet this is probably clear as mud to anybody who isn't a Biology Major. Sorry, that's why I've got a long way to go before I can be a professor. Just ask questions if you have any and I'll do my best to explain better.

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    I wasnt trying to suond unsympathetic, Im sorry if I did.
    However, I think some healing would be better for you than inforcing the negitive image you have of your true self by having your body hacked away at.
    As you get older you will start realising how beautiful you are to start with. Things about your appearance that bother you now will seem totally trivial later on in life - because they are. There is nothing you can do better in your life with thinner ankles, bigger breasts and less fat than you can do now. You can live to your full potential exactly as you are.
    Ive met you, I know you are an intelligent person, so the fact that you could ever dream that the size and shape of your chins and ankles would ever make an IMPORTANT difference to your life bugs me.
    Boobs ok - I can sort of go, it your line of work yes it may help, but thats it.


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    =( ive been using retin-A since i was 16.
    I do know it is commonly prescribed to people as a wrinkle treatment and is supposed to reduce the appearance on fine lines, etc.

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    I don't know why you want to get all this stuff done, Lysondra. I think your "different" features are what make you so uniquely beautiful. That's just my opinion...we're all our own worst critics. I'll admit that I am scared of getting chicken-chin, too, though. I already have two chins when I laugh and smile really hard....EEEEEEEEEE!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mily View Post
    I don't know why you want to get all this stuff done, Lysondra. I think your "different" features are what make you so uniquely beautiful. That's just my opinion...we're all our own worst critics. I'll admit that I am scared of getting chicken-chin, too, though. I already have two chins when I laugh and smile really hard....EEEEEEEEEE!!!
    I wasn't the one who criticized myself in the beginning.
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    Shoot, my dad has the biggest turkey neck you've ever seen. I just know I'll have to have a lift at some point, but I don't think there is anything you can do about it yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChloeTheRed View Post
    Regarding Retin-A:
    Your skin, like virtually every other tissue in your body, has specialized stem cells. For example, your liver has liver-specific stem cells. Every time they divide in order to replace a dead cell, it gives one liver cell and one liver-specific stem cell. This can happen many times (70 or more), but after a stem cell has divided many many times, the division results in two liver cells and no stem cell. If the liver is abused, the pool of stem cells will eventually start to get smaller, which will contribute to disease. We replace liver cells naturally throughout our life, as well; some will die for any number of reasons that have nothing to do with something we did wrong. No matter how terrifically you take care of yourself, your pool of stem cells may start to shrink well before you die of old age (in many organs/organ systems, this contributes to the various diseases of aging).

    We slough off dead skin all the time, and skin stem cells divide to produce new skin and replace it. When people get very old, their skin gets thin and fragile, and wounds take longer to heal. This is partially due to the fact that their pool of skin stem cells has shrunk substantially.
    Retin-A artificially stimulates the skin cells to divide, producing more younger skin cells (hence that lovely glowing look you get when you've been using it). Unfortunately, there's nothing to indicate that long-term use of Retin-A doesn't result in what is basically a speeding up the aging process. To my knowledge, there have been no studies on what Retin-A use does to skin condition ten and twenty years down the road. There's no evidence that it will make you look 20 when you're 30 but then 60 when you're 50. Still, there's no evidence that it won't; personally, I'm not willing to take that risk.

    I guess what it comes down to is that there is a limit to what you can do to your skin before the damage starts to show. That's why I don't like tanning and I'm very wary of Retin-A.

    EDIT: I bet this is probably clear as mud to anybody who isn't a Biology Major. Sorry, that's why I've got a long way to go before I can be a professor. Just ask questions if you have any and I'll do my best to explain better.
    So what exactly have you read that lead you to this conclusion regarding Retin-A? Or is this something that a professor suggested in class? I've been using it since '87 or '88. I want more info dammit! haha I've searched MEDLINE this morning but honestly I can't find anything that suggests what you claim to be possible...which initially was that long term Retin-A use causes worse wrinkles. Help enlighten me please.


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    Like I said, there's absolutely no research either way. Maybe in ten years, twenty years, people will start saying "wow, my skin is really thin, this is creepy" or probably nothing will show up. Honestly, I'm not certain that Retin-A will cause major problems, but it's the complete lack of research that scares me.

    In developmental biology, we got off on a big tangent about adult stem cells and how they aren't immortal (as embryonic and pseudoembryonic stem cells are). My prof brought up how Retin-A is a really big thing (this was five years ago) and how it's essentially stimulating your skin cells to divide and slough off faster. She said that while there's nothing to prove that it's going to cause a problem, she wouldn't touch the stuff (no matter how tempting it was to look younger).
    To quote her:
    "I'd love to stay looking 30 into my forties, but not a the price of looking 70 when I'm 50."

    And I'm not saying that it will necessarily cause wrinkles, but I'm scared that it would cause the skin to age faster (look older, thinner, more fragile).

    I really wish there were any long-term research on this stuff, because I'd like to be proven wrong.

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    I wouldn't go so far as to say there is a complete lack of research although you are correct that there is nothing published describing its effects after 10-20 years; The longest clinical trials I can find are 4 years. Perhaps an area of future research for you if you are so inclined?


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    That would be some interesting research, though it's mostly just going to be longitudinal studies of people who've been on it for a long time.
    I'm going into immunology, though, so definitely not my area of expertise.

    And getting back to the original post, I'm definitely freaked out about inheriting my mom's neck wattle, hence me using active copper face cream at 25. I keep telling myself it's mostly because she gained a lot a lot of weight in her 40s and 50s and then lost half of it, but yikes! I can just see myself with that saggy piece of skin flapping around under my chin. . . creepy!

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    When I had my chin implant done, they lipo'd my chin and corseted my neck muscles together to give me a more defined jaw line.

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    ^ Yeah but I don't want a chin implant or lipo... but the corseted neck muscles sounds about right.

    I hope when people are reading this, they're not reading 'I hate my face'... quite the opposite. I like my face, I want it to stay!!


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    I didn't know they could corset the neck muscles. I already could use some help with my chin and neck.

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    My aunt had her sAggy chin removed. Just leave it as it is now and if it happens in the future get it done then. Hers looks great. If that is your genetics you cant do anything about it. I dn t know of any procedure there is to stop it.

    I am going to get some botox injections in my forehead so i dont get any lines. I have started to notice a few.
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    The reason I don't want to have to wait untlil I have a saggy chin is because I don't want it slowly peeling from my face until I realize SHIT I HAVE A SAGGY CHIN and I've probably already had it for a year or two. Ugh. I want to prevent the signs of aging before they happen! SO no one can tell I'm aging! Damnit!


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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveSexMoney View Post
    So what exactly have you read that lead you to this conclusion regarding Retin-A? Or is this something that a professor suggested in class? I've been using it since '87 or '88. I want more info dammit! haha I've searched MEDLINE this morning but honestly I can't find anything that suggests what you claim to be possible...which initially was that long term Retin-A use causes worse wrinkles. Help enlighten me please.
    I've been using retin-a for 20 years, so has my mother. She's almost 60 and looks early 40-late 30-something. Do we look older than we are? No.

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