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    So. I get off stage, and a customer at the tiprail asks for me to go dance for him. Of course I say yes, and we go back and do about 7 dances ($20 each, total = $140). Then I do my usual "shall we make it 8?" or whatever, and he says "Go ahead and just sit right here like that," and hugs me close to him on his lap and begins to chit-chat. In the VIP dance area. So we talk, while I am secretly still counting congs in my head. His total begins to approach $300, so JUST IN CASE, I say "sooo... how many more songs did you think you wanted to go for?" To this he replies, "Oh, you wanted to get paid for this time?? I thought we were just hanging out! I don't want to stiff you, but we should have discussed this."

    So I apologized for not having asked beforehand or making it clearer earlier that time spent hugging me talking in the VIP before you even pay me for the dances I already did is racking up a total. So, I named him $200(rather than about $280 that he kinda owed me), and he paid up, but he seemed a leettle bit annoyed about it. Also, another dancer he likes told me something along the lines of "oh he's so nice! I never charge when we hang out and talk back there... no one wants to pay $20/song to just talk."

    Should I not have expected a little extra for my time?

    Also, that girl's attitude is silly. I've had guys pay me $20/song to rub my feet. Time = money, especially in the VIP room. Shoot the shit out on the floor, don't give that room away for free!!

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    If you want to get paid for your time, you should negotiate the terms beforehand. I can see where the customer would be miffed when he had no idea the money clock was still ticking. We can't expect the customers to know how we do business, especially when they may be used to other girls who sit and chat for free. So yeah, next time, interrupt and say "I love to chat with you but there is an hourly VIP charge/I'm very busy and have paying customers waiting" or something like that.

    The next thing is to be specific about how much cash its going to take to keep you around. Some customers will mumble about tipping you for your time, and when the half-hour is up, they think a $10 tip will cover it. Don't fall for that, make sure your terms are out on the table ahead of time.

    Then of course, be very gracious and polite. Compliment him on how nice it is to rest with such a great guy...blah blah stripper shit. When time is up, act like you dont want ot leave but you just HAVE to, chances are hell pony up for more time.

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    you needed to be clear with the guy that time was money. based on your own words, it was not sufficiently clear per-song.

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    Ugh. I blame that bitch for letting him sit in the VIP and "chit chat" for free all night. WTF is she thinking? I'd gently set her straight if I were you.

    But yeah, in the future when they pull that, "Let's just sit here a minute" crap, you gotta be clear that you'll sit all he wants--for a price.

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    You got very lucky. I've known a couple of dancers who left the club completely empty-handed and were bawling their eyes out in the dressing room beforehand because they weren't clear with the custy on this type of arrangement.



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    It should be clear that if your in the VIP he's paying, but it sounds like that other girl fucked it up for him, and it is good to always be clear.



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    Well you said you were "secretly" counting the dances, so I assume you thought you were getting away with something? I agree with everyone who said you need to lay the terms out on the table. What if he didn't have more than the 140? You would have wasted your time, and if you felt 280 was really what you were worth, then you did waste your time and it's a possibility you might never get one dance from him again much less 7.

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    absolutely not.
    if you're in some kind of vip room.. and not on the floor, obviously you're still doing lap dances. Even if he just choses for you to sit there and talk while he holds you. You can blame some of it on the other girl who lets him sit for free, but you're not responsible for her and how she makes her money. But i think definitely since you guys were in the designated lap dance section, he should have known. You were nice enough to notify him when it was getting too high.
    If that happens to me...ill usually say something along the lines of oh..well just being in this chair means the club charges me for each song..usually they'll get up or they'll say oh thats okay, i'll pay you.
    But iknow some girls who woulda just kept going and not even remind the guys that the songs over. Hell i even knew a girl whys custie fell asleep in the chair and she sat there on his lap as long as she could lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dottie Rebel View Post
    Ugh. I blame that bitch for letting him sit in the VIP and "chit chat" for free all night. WTF is she thinking? I'd gently set her straight if I were you.
    Well put, Dottie. Yea, of course that guy seemed annoyed... he thought he was gonna fucking sit there hugging you for FREE! Yes, your life would have been easier if you had been clear with him in some way but no where did he say "No, 7 is good". He did not say that he wanted to stop, he simply dodged the question to get you to sit there for free. PLUS, from what that other girl said, I'd bet that he does it regularly.

    For future reference: When guys try that with me, I tell them that the floor guy is counting dances and that I get charged per dance for the time I spend with them. Yes, dude, so I'M basically getting charged for what looks like a dance... (Sometimes you have to explain the whole concept of "independent contractor" to them)

    That works for me every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buffie06 View Post
    Well you said you were "secretly" counting the dances, so I assume you thought you were getting away with something?
    Exactly my thoughts. I do agree with another poster that the other guy is messing it up for all by allowing him to sit in vip w/ free "chit chat" time. After that last song that he wanted you to just lay there, you should've asked him if he wanted to keep going? Then tell him how much we're up so far...Ex. "ok well counting that we're at $280 now. We're gonna sit back here another song right?"

    Hopefully you can right this wrong the next time you see him. Hopefully you haven't burned a bridge.







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    Quote Originally Posted by buffie06 View Post
    Well you said you were "secretly" counting the dances, so I assume you thought you were getting away with something?.
    I don't think she thought she was getting away with something. When I am being paid for my time, I count the songs in my head too. I believe this is what she meant by this.

    Also, I think the girl who gives it away for free is in the wrong! IMO if the custie is touching you, he should be paying for the time. This comes up for me when the custie wants to take a "break" from dances, so I get up from his lap and sit in my own chair. When they protest, I say something like what? you wanted to touch me for free?

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    I agree with everyone here... you should have put it out there that he would have to pay to cuddle and talk, but by no means do I think you're in the wrong. If you're in a dancing area, you are to be paid...whether its dancing, talking, back-rubbing, it doesn't matter. And WTF is that girl doing???? Silly stripper
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    any club i worked in charges for time in the private dance area you can't fuck around with that. I always ask a guys if he wants to keep going after everysong and I tell him the charges after every 2 songs so i never loose more then that in in pay if he is an idoit. I don't know what stupid girl wastes her time in the priviate dance room for nothing.

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    I hate the girls who give their time away for free and ruin the whole goddamned system for the rest of us! Go to a bar if you want some guy to buy you drinks and not pay you, drink slut!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSexKitten View Post
    Should I not have expected a little extra for my time?
    You weren't expecting a little extra. You were expecting the full dance price for just sitting. The problem with what you did was that you didn't tell him.

    Sometimes we're so afraid to talk business with a happy customer, feeling that it will ruin the mood. It's a tough part of the job, but bringing up prices is part of the art of the hustle. It's not tacky. Don't be bashful about quoting a price for what you're worth. If he can't deal with hearing the cost up front, he probably wouldn't have been able to pay after you'd already danced/sat/talked/etc. I find that when I talk business with the same fluidity with which I talk about getting a new pair of shoes, acting like it's no big deal, the guy usually responds positively anyway if he has the money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paintgoddess View Post
    bringing up prices is part of the art of the hustle.
    very well put.

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    It all depends on the culture of the club. If there is no VIP host specifically laying out time, and if customers are used to paying per dance, NO matter where the dances are happening, you'll have to clearly state your intentions.

    If he's unwilling to pay to sit there and cuddle, then get your ass back out on the floor and make the money elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinatalie View Post
    I don't think she thought she was getting away with something. When I am being paid for my time, I count the songs in my head too. I believe this is what she meant by this.

    Also, I think the girl who gives it away for free is in the wrong! IMO if the custie is touching you, he should be paying for the time. This comes up for me when the custie wants to take a "break" from dances, so I get up from his lap and sit in my own chair. When they protest, I say something like what? you wanted to touch me for free?
    True, but then there are those girls that think if they ask for time paid they will get a no, so they count dances w/o telling the customer and "secretly" so they end up with more money for less work. I don't think they are consciously trying to get away with something, but I do think they are worried about getting rejected for paid time and think this is a way of hustling it. Im not saying dont sit and count, but you have to say something or he doesn't owe you crap. Stopping at 300 or so and telling him when it starts to get too high, your chances of getting paid go down(when you flat out know or have a gut instinct they have little or no clue your charging them). Also, do you always charge 20 per song for talk? What about hourly? NEVER rely on other girls to make sure the customer knows YOUR rules. We are contractors , and as such you may charge as much or little as you want. I wouldn't blame the girls that sits for free as others mentioned, just fully disclose your terms in the future.

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    You were not wrong but you went about it wrong.And yes, this other girl is screwing things up for everyone. If she wants to sit with him for free...go back out to the bar. If you are IN VIP...you pay VIP prices.

    I tell them (as someone else suggested) that our dances are counted and we are charged for them and our tip out amount is determined by that as well, since it is percentage based. And that I would be MORE than happy to spend as much time with his as he wished, but the price remains the same per song.

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    a) No I wasn't trying to get away with something. The usual routine in that room is do dances, finish dances, hang MAX one song, pay up, leave room and continue hanging out or continue working the floor. It felt to me like he was sort of buying a time block.

    I totally agree I should be more quick to talk business. Better to put a tiny dent in the mood momentarily rather than ruin it for good I guess right?

    The tricky thing is, when I double-checked that he was buying dance time rather than dances, and we discovered he was unaware that I thought he would be paying, we had a weird interaction like this:

    Him: "I wish we had discussed it earlier. However, I would feel really bad for short-changing you if that's the case."
    Me: "Oh man, yeah. I was confused as to what the arrangements were. I'm so sorry for not checking earlier. So... we did seven actual dances, what do you think would be fair? I won't be upset with what you choose." (aka ball in his court)
    Him: "Man. I dunno. We should have talked about it earlier. You decide." (ball back in my court)
    Me: "I guess $200?......."

    He agreed and what not, but I wish he would have just said he had a problem if he did. But after he paid me, he got my name again and said it would be good to see me again next time he's in, but he just sounded less enthusiastic about it.

    Bah. Lesson learned. Could have gotten a lot worse I guess!!

    Thanks for the helpful tips and reminders ladies.

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    You weren't in the wrong, but like a few others already said just be a little more clear about it next time.

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