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    My club is pretty kick back. I love it and I love the girls I work with. But yesterday one of them tried to recruit me into her 'multi-level marketing' scheme and I just don't know how to handle it. This is someone I see every day. She's very sweet and I want to maintain a good working relationship. She's the kind who WILL follow up, probably many times. I've already made the standard excuses. She's quite the aggressive saleswoman.

    And I know for a fact that she's been trying to sign up not only dancers but customers! This just seems bad on so many levels. Then she told me that the owner of the club had purchased some of the products offered by this little venture, so I know he knows about it. It's as if the club's being taken over by a secretive cult and I don't know who is 'in'.

    I don't need anti-oxidant juice. I don't want to sell anti-oxidant juice. I just want to bounce on random hard-ons for money in relative peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteTara View Post
    I don't need anti-oxidant juice. I don't want to sell anti-oxidant juice. I just want to bounce on random hard-ons for money in relative peace.
    I would just tell her that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteTara View Post

    I don't need anti-oxidant juice. I don't want to sell anti-oxidant juice. I just want to bounce on random hard-ons for money in relative peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteTara View Post
    I don't need anti-oxidant juice. I don't want to sell anti-oxidant juice. I just want to bounce on random hard-ons for money in relative peace.
    I'd tell her that. If nothing else, it'll make her laugh.



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    Yea I understand where yr coming from. I spent too many years in too many conversations about religon (lifelong atheist!) and selling diet drinks, why I can't come to a candle party, etc.

    you gotta be str8forward!!!! Even if you are supersuper polite and still beating around the bush.

    Just smile giant and say "I'm reallllllllly not interested! Sounds cool tho, good luck.

    I kno, easier said than done.

    Curious to know what goes on next time u talk to her. But she really can't be on you forever.

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    oh god i hate those kind of people not only will she want you to sell the crap but then you are going to have to buy every book and tape about getting rich threw the power of diet juice on the planet.. I can't belive people still fall for this shit the only people getting rich are the owners of the coreration selling the idea of getting rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteTara View Post

    I don't need anti-oxidant juice. I don't want to sell anti-oxidant juice. I just want to bounce on random hard-ons for money in relative peace.
    *snicker* thanks for the laugh this morning!


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    As someone who lost alot of money and time in network marketing (did Herbalife, did Himalayan Goji Juice (aka Freelife), did Amway even at one point) I can tell you that the best way to say NO to her is to SAY NO.

    Just keep saying NO. Say you are not interested. There are so many times she can follow up.

    I feel for her. BTW, you may want to point her to: http://www.mlm-dra.org/

    "The Distributor Rights Association, or DRA, exists to build a bridge between Companies and their Distributors to foster greater understanding and communication. The rights of all concerned must be protected and cherished at all costs."

    Because it was this organisation that helped me "see the light" in the end. It stopped me for good in re: any network marketing scheme. It defiantely made me look at the contracts I signed more carefully.

    Those contracts protect the company not the distributor. Those companies couldn't give a flying fuck about the distributor.

    http://www.mlmwatchdog.com/index.html is another good site.


    Just keep saying NO is all I can say. Every distributor no matter what company she works with will be told that she can only follow up so many times before moving on and trying better prospects.

    The problem here is that if she does enrol the owner then she is going to be in for some shit (herself) and maybe the club (if he gets hooked into spend $$$ being a distributor).

    Most people out-lay heaps of money (I know I did) without seeing profits.


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    ^ what happened with herbalife? they made you buy a bunch of bottles first, then try to sell em er something?

    haha--

    "lose weight now! ask me how!"

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    The thing with Herbalife is that they do make you "stock up on inventory" in order for you to qualify for discounts on the purchases yourself (and thus increase your supposed profit margin). Then there are all the advertising materials and what-not extras you also HAVE to buy. Man, I'm STILL using some of my inventory!!

    So they make you outlay heaps and heaps of dollars. I saw + met people who had maxed out their credit cards to get started!

    Oh let's not get into how it is near next to impossible to get your money back on these items once you quit with Herbalife. So you are stuck with shitloads of stock/inventory and are out of alot of money.

    Plus Herbalife distributors are a dime a dozen. The market is flooded. How the hell is ANYONE meant to make any money with that scheme?!?!

    The same goes with Freelife (Himalayan Goji Juice) as well as Amway. Amway is the worst of the lot due to how zealous some of their distributors become.. it becomes everything to them. They live and breathe it. Scary.

    In re Freelife. The market is flooded with "health food drinks" that I didn't feel this particular one stood out in any significant way plus the cost was ridiculous... not to mention that it was like most MLMs (Network Marketing businesses) in that it is near next to impossible to just concentrate on selling the products... the "real money" is in your "downline".

    I didn't want to recruit and without recruiting anyone I stood to not make much money. That's why these MLMs don't work. You can't just sell the products... you have to recruit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldCoastGirl View Post
    Plus Herbalife distributors are a dime a dozen. The market is flooded. How the hell is ANYONE meant to make any money with that scheme?!?!
    That is what I always thought...THAT explains how a huge ass ad on the subway got put there, duh! (Didn't want to accept it! Even tho it was a personal ad!) When I saw my friend's aim profile and it said lose weight now, ask me how, I kinda withdrew from her....

    Seemed to be much more popular in like 2000-2002 around here, haven't heard it much lately, wonder why.

    So how many ppl did you actually sell it to?

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    It is still very much around. Just that it isn't so "in your face" anymore due to bad press. Alot of people are in the same basket as me.. tried it.. and lost alot of money due to it. I was even shown ways of how to not call it all Herbalife ... it was "Average 2 Fortune" or something along those lines due to the bad press (and how people can generally be not so about hearing the word "Herbalife").

    The same is now happening with Freelife (aka Himalayan Goji Juice).

    In the end, too many people get involved due to how people have to recruit, recruit, recruit to make any REAL money.

    I actually did alright with the Goji one. Herbalife sucked. Same with Amway.

    I didn't want to continue with the Goji one because of the DRA showing me how I wasn't protected and showing me the skeletons in Freelife's closet. I couldn't feel 'right' about pushing something (the company and the product) anymore.


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    That sucks. Interesting stories, live/learn right? Hehe remember the Married With Children episode where Peg is selling Mary Kay?

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    Noni juice? My stupid guillable father loves that shit.

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    ^ There seems to be all different names...Noni, Nori, Gogi, I was wondering if they were the same thing myself.

    I've seen Noni/Nori on the shelf @ health food stores, but then again my friend told me she called an ad that said "Free advice on how to treat herpes the NATURAL way!" and it was a guy's cell, who just wanted to rant and rave about the benefits of Nori/Noni juice and how much it helped him, and gave her a website with a coupon code so she could get some. Who knows. But it's expensive!

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    Just scream "RAPE" next time she opens her mouth. I bet that'll be her last follow-up...

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    ^^^Noni juice is actually pretty good for you, or perhaps it's the power of suggestion. In any event, I felt great when I was living in Hawaii and chugging that shit twice a day. My stomach looked flatter, my skin was clearer... however, it was free on the commune. I wouldn't pay money for something that tastes that bad. To each their own, though.

    In any event, White Tara, make like Nancy Reagan and Just Say No. Say it politely and firmly as many times as you have to, offer an explanation if you feel you must, but there should be no shame in making your point clear. Not to be rude, but I don't really understand why "maintaining a good working relationship" might mean buying nonsense from her. On the contrary, I think becoming her customer will complicate your working relationship. Try this line: "Sorry hon, but I'm not into health food stuff." Alternately, there's "Sounds cool, but I'm a terrible flake with sales stuff. I can manage my tits and ass because they're attached to me, but that's as complicated as I can handle." Or, "Too much hassle for me, I do just fine being a stripper."

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    Goji is different to Noni Juice and all the other juices out there except that it is sold as a "dietary suppliment" as well as "natural health food drink" etc etc. Goji does have its own benefits except for the price I was paying I didn't feel it was worth forking out so much in the end.

    The product did work for me rather well. Really well. Just the cost of buying a pack of four bottles every month got to me. Plus I felt it was pretty ridiculous that you couldn't order it per bottle. Along with the company (Freelife International)... I stopped.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfberry
    http://chetday.com/gojijuice.htm

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    I worked with a girl who was really into her abandoned animal donations. It was hard to say no since it was a good cause and I ended up giving her a couple of bucks... but I'm there to make a living, not give it away (I'll do that on different time). She had told me that the manager really hated her doing that because she asked the customers for donations as well. If I were you, I would mention something off-handedly to a head bouncer (or even the manager) about it. They may tell her to stop. That's really wrong of her.
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    I do volunteer work at the Animal Welfare League QLD shelter and support them plus Wildlife Warriors and various other organisation however I pretty much only leave literature out in the dressing room or pass on the literature to those interested. Donating (or tithing) is personal IMO and thus like other personal matters such as religion and politics.. it is up to the person her/himself to do it or not. I can only provide the information. I don't believe in MAKING people donate.

    MLM is one thing as I have seen the "mindset" first hand however making people (even customers) donate is another!


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    I've gotten religious tracts, tickets for fund-raising raffles, and donations to good causes before. I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone suggest these to any but the most loyal regulars though. But the MLM stuff is much pushier than all of the above and I've already had a couple of customer complaints about it.

    No, I don't think I'm required to buy anything to maintain good working relationships, but having to say 'no' more and more emphatically is creating a strain.

    I do feel bad though, because the woman in question is an older dancer who told me that she wants to get out of dancing and she thinks this is the way she'll do it. Grrr. I don't have the greatest opinion of MLMs in general ever since my severely mentally ill (bipolar) mother bought into Mary Kay, ran up a huge credit card bill, then ended up giving everything away. Seems like these things are set up to prey on the unwary, the innocent, the desperate, and the mentally ill. Double grrr!

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