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    Default This old stripper's rant.

    You will have to excuse me.
    Or not.

    Here I am, the snob stripper.
    I just have to get this off my chest. If you don't like it, what the hell ever. I'm too old to really care.
    You should understand that I love this website. It gives me a sense of camaraderie and support in the wastland that is today's gentleman's club arena. I appreaciate what this does for us,and realize that it is vital to our survival.
    HOWEVER:
    Some people I've encountered need to hear a few things.
    What tripped the trigger for me was seeing someone (in the newbie section) ask how to learn the moves. I understand not knowing. I was there, back in the cold Feb. of 1994. I guess I had a small advantage, being trained since age 6 in jazz, tap, ballet, and piano performances, like some of you have been. Sorry for that. But I had no idea how to get naked in front of people. I had parents raised in the FIFTIES; not sixtes. Restricted is not even the word. I wasn't allowed to buy a Prince album because the cover art was too sexy. The Beatles were "new" for me at age 11 (1985). I had a lot of catching up to do. I did it. Listen to me.
    How to learn the moves?
    WATCH THE DAMN GIRLS, for hell's sake. How the hell do you think the rest of us figured it out? USE YOUR BRAIN. Jesus. USE YOUR POWERS OF OBSERVATION and YOUR IMAGINATION. DON'T ask some people on a friggin' internet board. TAKE SOME DAMN INITIATIVE and go to the club when you are not working.
    WATCH. LISTEN. LEARN. ASK!!!!!! the people you WORK with!
    If the managers (god knows they are dumbASSES these days, I know) did NOT take the time to pair you up with an older dancer who knows what she is doing, take the chance and (oh my god!!) ASK one yourself. Ask her to mentor you. Pick one you admire, you like the way she moves, etc. Be POLITE and DEFERENTIAL. Ask her if she will help you learn the RIGHT way to conduct business. Most times, she will be flattered,and will help you. If she is not/does not, ok, find another, or just sit back and WATCH. You will still learn, if you try.
    This is your chosen job. Don't give me the bullshit that you HAVE to do this, or you have no other choice, whatever. I don't want to hear that. This is a choice, just like any other. If you are not comfortable, there is McDonald's down the street. We don't want anyone here who does not want to be here. You make our job ten times harder. Get a grip. This isn't easy or everyone would be successful at it. You can see clearly that is not the case, so adjust your attitude or get the hell outta dodge.
    This is not an easy job. Those that think this is easy money, either 1) you are idiots; or 2) have the natural gift for it, in which case you need to sit back, take stock, and do the right thing: Learn the right way to DO the job. Or you won't last long. Oh, yes, really. Count the cost. Talk to me in ten years.
    I will tell you. It takes at least 3 to 5 years to get this job right. Some fewer, some longer. It took me awhile to really feel I had a handle on it. Had to get my brain out of the way in some instances. If you still think this job is about sex, go home. If you still think you need to grind to get a regular, think again. Yes, I said it, and I fucking mean it.
    I have the guy I gave my second dance ever to, still coming in to see me; still asking my friends at the club when I will be in. He is not an ugly broke loser, either. I give him the respect of not taking every bit of his money because he is a human being. Get over that, too. (ooh, look, she sucks because she's not all about the money! oooo! How stupid,you may think...well, I still love my job. And by the way; I have NEVER done coke or almost any other drug while working, except one. You can guess about that one - the sensual one. On my son's head. I do drink, but not to the point of stupidity..anymore )
    Money is money. Make your money. Don't sell your soul by fucking customers OVER for money. THAT is how you lose your soul - not by selling sex. If you choose to meet a custie OTC, that is your biz. I don't like you making your deals in the club, but I am old enough to know that I will not stop that . I ask you to keep it quiet. Keep your shit to yourself. That benefits BOTH you and me. If you don't understand how, I can't explain that one. Sorry.
    On THAT note; keep your drugs to yourself too. I really don't give a shit what drug you want to do, just don't fuck up my night, or MONEY, because of it. If you gotta do something, do it in the back, and/or in a CLOSED bathroom stall. Shut the hell up about it on the floor. No one wants to hear that crap. If you are too fucked up to maintain, have some damn pride about your self to not make your dumb ass look any dumber, and take it home. No one's going to blame you for that, it's a smart decision. We've all been there. My personal feeling is that coke makes most people assholes, and they will stab you in the back because of it, but what the hell ever; I'm smart enough to know I'm not going to stop you from doing it. But don't you bug out when you are a bitch and I call your shit about it. It's your fuck up; not mine. I will maintain and act like a lady; or I will go home. You will not get respect if you act like a cokehead all the time. ("Gee, I wonder why that girl is sitting with my custie?")
    Don't drain all of a guy's money on his first visit, or his first time meeting you. You'll never see him again, or you will end up like the girl who asked me last time I worked. "What is wrong with me? He got a dance from you, but he won't even speak to me! I used to get dances from him all the time, since he first started coming in here!?"
    Because, you dumbass, you were too greedy and thought this was all about the money.
    LOOK AHEAD. MAKE LONG-TERM CUSTOMERS. DON'T PISS THEM OFF!!!
    SHeesh.
    BE NICE!!
    This is common sense. If you don't have any.....
    When you sit back, and OBSERVE; you will figure out what customer is worth cultivating, and which one to take for all he's worth. Sure, they are there, but you have to be able to discern the difference. Watch the body language. Get a clue. If you can't figure that out, then you really should find another job.
    Learn this stuff for yourself. A little guidance is good, but things you learn on your own are the things that stay with you. Stand in your five-to-seven inch heels for yourself. Be a woman. Grab your balls and go.
    And...
    no matter what a rap video says, this job is not for anyone. Either come in to make your money and get the hell out, or take it seriously and do it because you love it. Those of us who do love it, have no patience anymore for those of you who don't. Sure, it's not perfect. Oooo. What the hell ever. It is true life, and good work, and when the club is boomin'; and the manager has his mouth shut; and the dj has his groove on; and the waitresses & bartender have the drinks on time; when you are onstage and all eyes are on you, and you KNOW YOU ARE THE SHIT (but so are all the other girls, look...isn't she fuckin' sexy?) and the customers are SCREAMING the song!When that guy you are dancing for has his "O" face on,and it makes you feel like superwoman....life...will never be better.EVER.
    Nirvana exists in a strip club. It actually, does happen. I have been there. I do know. But you better be ready to learn your part, and to work for it.
    Because anything less, is just shit.
    Take it upon yourself to learn. This website is a good resource, but NOT a crutch. Nothing is a substitute for cold, hard one-on-one real life learning.
    Yes, many a dj is an idiot, but many a one is not. Put yourself in their shoes, and realize they are half of the heart and soul of any club. REALLY learn what their job is all about. Get out of your head and LISTEN to what they are doing. Then, HELP THEM. STICK UP for them to the management if they are right. I have a LOT more to say about this, but if I actually survive the night here on this website, I'll be suprised.
    You really are not as replacable as everyone says you are. That will become more apparant as these crucial years go on. Watch...listen...learn..be open...you will get it.

    And that's all I have to say about that.

    --old, bitchy stripper; signing out.
    P.S. Serious Love to you. Oh yes. Really. 'Cause you had the balls to try this job in the first place.
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    I think I've met my match. Just.....thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lildreamer316 View Post
    A little guidance is good, but things you learn on your own are the things that stay with you. Stand in your five-to-seven inch heels for yourself. Be a woman. Grab your balls and go.
    I think you might be a bit harsh, but directly above is really a good point.

    I must say though, that I lurked on this site for probably two years before I started dancing. Lurkers and newbies are welcome in my book as long as they don't pretend to be dancers and give out fake advice based on what they've already read here (pet peeve). But this site is a good way to figure out if dancing is really something someone wants to do. It's here to educate and support others, but not to tear others down.

    SW is full of theories and good advice that really does need to be road-tested. So in a way, I do agree that sometimes the best way to learn is to do it yourself. But here is a stripper that doesn't mind dumb questions and nervousness on this site on account of the newbies. I was there in the beginning too.
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    You are my hero!

    I love SW and there is a TON of advice on here that I use every day, but, almost ten years ago I had to learn this job just how you described. I had no idea or resources to figure out what to do or how to do it, but I stuck it out and now I'm standing tall in my 7 inchers.

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    yup.
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    Whoa O_O

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    I give the rant a B-, just since this is a msg board and we can say how we feel and be snotty a lil bit!

    Good points, tho not original, and....damn! I dunno, maybe it's just a "new generation" but lots of ppl are logging onto the internet and asking questions, even 1's like how to dance. Doesn't mean all of them are not figuring it out themsevles also. I've seen ppl give out links to videos of "how to dance/strip." That's great! Just wasn't around when some of us were younger.

    As expected, you got and will continue to get a lot of AMEN'S ....but ppl, please be open minded. She made some good points, but not everything's correct. I like posters like Paintgoddess....good points there, and being objective.

    It's kinda messed up that ppl take every word for the gospel in other ppl's rants...I mean, if she said everything you think is right, then by all means but...bottom line, you sound kinda mean.

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    Eh. I'm an old, bitter ex-stripper--considerably older than the OP, in fact. That's why I liked it.

    I can't say I agreed with every single last thing, but I very much enjoyed the ballsiness of it.

    And I really liked the parts about doing the job because you actually like it, and doing it well. And how it's not always ALL about the money, and it's okay to be a human being about it. I have respect for the seriously mercenary strippers out there, but for me, it was never all about the money. And it's just nice to hear from someone else who feels the same way & is entirely unapologetic about it.
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    THANK YOU! THANK YOU, thank you.. my god. I can't say thank you enough.

    I'm an "old" stripper myself. I use to try and help the new girls, until they started giving me tons of attitude. Yes of course I do not know everything, but I am much more experienced than some little gal who has never done this before in her life.

    I stopped trying. Why should I offer when all I get is grief and being called names?

    Older, more experienced strippers are mean and with good reason. We get deathly tired of shoveling and taking other peoples shit.

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    hmmm. i hope i can be awesome when i'm older.

    don't worry, the age thing goes both ways. seems there's always another age to be, where you think ppl will accept you at. it's like up there with the #1 thing ppl are most concerned with about you, and the least thing we can help. when it's not men, it's like the rest of the world is SO MAD at you for being young. brrr. makes me wonder what it's like to get older...tho i kno i can't possibly feel that negative. for fuck's sake, it might be the first time i'm respected for my mind not my body...we'll see...

    and points i liked were about NOT taking all his $$ right away and being a shark. this translates into "being a woman" to them, and they are so cute when they're shocked. i was always surprised how quickly i built up regulars, i think this has lots to do with it.

    but yea, basically anyone in any field that is hard working and has integrity, usually have the trait of "doing it all myself, learning thru trial and error." those/we will be the ones who make it the long haul, as someone said here b4...most girls don't even do it a year. (is this true? maybe so!)

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    I think this is a pretty good post. As a dancer who hasn't yet reached her one year mark yet, I can't say I know well enough to be really critical of the advice given, but I like how straightforward it is!

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    love it! I may not be the most expirenced dancer, actually moderatley new i guess (on and off for a few years now, full time here in LA for almost a year and a half now) but this was some damn good advice!

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    I liked it a lot. I'll only have been dancing for a year next month. I consider myself a newbie stripper. I think its hilarious when girls (sometimes on here, but mainly offline at my club) have been dancing for 6 months and think they know it all. I love hearing from older strippers, both online here and ITC. Knowledge passed down is priceless.

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    I too am the "old Stripper" I too had to learn to dance the way the OP did, and the only reason I still keep on dancing a few times amonth (despite my "real" job) is because I have cultivated the kind of regulars the OP is talking about. They are very disappointed when they look forward to me being there and I don't show. (see excuses why I didn't go to work post)

    However, I know that when I first started dancing the "older" dancers did not want to take someone under there wing and were very intimadating. But, I watched, kept my mouth shut and have developed a style of my own. One that keeps some of my regulars comming back for over 10 years now.

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    ....as to being mean:

    Well, that's primarily why I posted this here; in Stripping "General"; instead of the newbie section. I'm not really so much bitching at the newbies here as I am in general, even though I did get set off by one of ours asking a question. I did point out that this website is a great resource; and I am so very glad it is here for me to rant on! But this has been in my brain for awhile.

    What's funny is that if you met me; you could know me for years without ever hearing me speak this way. I try to give each new girl at my home club a chance; I approach her if I can sense any opening to listening to what I can tell her. It is in all of our best interests, and the club's; if I can get that girl off on the right foot. I was raised to be a lady; and trained to be a lady even while naked; so that entails being courteous and nice; even to someone who initially tries to be a bitch. But as I get older; I see that I don't really always have to do this. I deserve to get angry every now and then. I deserve to speak my mind.

    I will always share any knowledge or insight I have to anyone who asks...unless you are very obviously being lazy. I just don't have the patience for that. One has got to learn how to take the initiative, or you won't long survive in this job, or life.

    And of course I don't know everything; my attitudes may not be right for every club. But I can see a time coming when clubs will be more or less the same..but that's for another post.

    Eh, as I said, I'm just old. And sometimes cranky.
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    It's always nice to hear from someone on here that actually knows what they are talking about, like you

    It's also very nice to get things off your chest..even though it was a bit harsh, power to you for ranting a little, we all do!
    With all the stupid things guys will say, stay cool.

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    I like this post. I haven't been dancing as long as some of the other ladies here, but I've been doing it a little over 3 years, and i have helped out new girls a few times but showing them some moves and giving them a little advice how to ask for dances. EVERY TIME they were ungrateful, and ended up being a total bitch to me shortly thereafter. Now, I don't help anybody. When I went from stage clubs to lap dance clubs, one of the girls taught me how to give a lap dance, but I learned to how to sell them from my own experiences, watching the other girls, and reading hustle hut!

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    LOL! This thread is funny. I don't mind a lot of the newbie questions...but I will admit that I do get upset sometimes because there's only so much you can learn on here as a newb. I found SW after I was already dancing so I know that there are just some things that you have to do on your own. Like getting your ass to a fucking club and LEARNING. Makes perfect sense to me. I had to do it...as all you veteran strippers had to do it. Get off your fucking ass and away from the computer and go fucking find the fucking answer for yourselves once in a while. SHEESH! Also...don't post in the Stripping General section if you're not dancing yet or a complete newb. That's what the newbie section is for. Not to be a complete bitch....but it does get annoying when ya don't know what the hell you're talking about! We could care less what you have to say unless you're actually doing what we're doing and putting up with the same BS we are. Just like a Strip Club...on SW you have to earn respect. ...And like the OP said it's not easy. We all went through our shit, and did what we had to do to get started and going in this business...TAKE SOME INITIATIVE AND DO THE SAME FOR YOUR DAMN SELVES!!!

    *mini rant over*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaska View Post
    ...bottom line, you sound kinda mean.
    Alaska, I know you are cool, from the conversations we have had. If you met lildreamer, as I have, you'd see right away she's not mean at all.

    It's a rant, rants are fun, but inherently open to criticism if seen as an attempt to lay down the Law.

    It's a rare rant that doesn't draw some sort of backlash. The most memorable in my mind, naturally, being the backlash to my own rant about a year and half ago, about having to put really unattractive women on stage. A guy pretending to be an extremely unattractive woman, giving BJs to support 'her' children, did a great job of fooling almost everyone, in order to express some rather serious hostility.

    It was amusing, really--and clever. 'She' took in a lot of people, lol.

    But who cares? The point being, rants shouldn't be taken too seriously. Everyone needs to blow off a little steam sometimes.

    And there is some good advice in here, as well--unlike most rants, including my own.
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    Also...don't post in the Stripping General section if you're not dancing yet or a complete newb. That's what the newbie section is for. Not to be a complete bitch....but it does get annoying when ya don't know what the hell you're talking about! [/QUOTE]


    Yes...this is why I try to avoid posting in the Stripping General section (although I do read the hell out of it) with the exception when I feel like I can contribute some knowlege...such as the Pole STD thread. I'm not a stripper yet, but I am a nursing student and was pre-med student, and I know that you cannot get an STD from a pole anymore than you can get one from a chair or from opening doors .... so I felt compelled to put my 2 cents in. (and, not that this is the same thing, but I do pole dancing so it's not like i've never been on a pole)

    Sorry but I kinda felt like some of that was directed towards me and I felt the need to explain...

    I try to keep most of my posts to the "off-topic" conversations anyway.

    I apologize if I've stepped on any toes.

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    ^No problems. It was just a rant. I'm quite good at those.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueJeanBaby View Post
    ...I know that you cannot get an STD from a pole anymore than you can get one from a chair or from opening doors

    ...I do pole dancing so it's not like i've never been on a pole)
    If that were the case we all would have had it in my last club, myself included. I would play on the poles if there were no customers, or at the end of the night.

    There was some crazy shit going on in that club, let me tell you. Every disease, drug, and mental illness known to man passed through that place. Customers, dancers, managers, DJs, bouncers--all of them. I knew more people there that have died than from any other clubs put together, in an amazingly short time. Fuck, I came close myself.

    But no one ever caught the clap, or anything else, from the poles. It's not up to me, but I would say that's useful information.

    Congrats on doing the tricks when you don't need to, as well.

    Anyway, sorry to digress from the subject.
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    To clarify, I have nothing against the younger girls. Most of them are simply amazing..

    I just wont tolerate any disrespect.

    Anyone can come to me and ask how to do this or what should I do with such and such. I had some wonderful older ladies to work with when I first started and it would be a terrible disservice to them and their hard work in this industry to not at least try and pass on a little something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crow2 View Post
    THANK YOU! THANK YOU, thank you.. my god. I can't say thank you enough.

    I'm an "old" stripper myself. I use to try and help the new girls, until they started giving me tons of attitude. Yes of course I do not know everything, but I am much more experienced than some little gal who has never done this before in her life.

    I stopped trying. Why should I offer when all I get is grief and being called names?

    Older, more experienced strippers are mean and with good reason. We get deathly tired of shoveling and taking other peoples shit.
    A-fuckin'-men sister!!!

    I tried for years to be the "mother hen" to the newbs too, by helping them get ready, what to wear, how to walk in heels, etc.. Now, FUCK IT! When a new girl asks who I am, I proudly say the uber cunt in this bar.

    Awesome rant Lildreamer, and VERY well said!
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    Feel like a damn salt lick at the goats petting zoo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kitana View Post
    A-fuckin'-men sister!!!

    I tried for years to be the "mother hen" to the newbs too, by helping them get ready, what to wear, how to walk in heels, etc.. Now, FUCK IT! When a new girl asks who I am, I proudly say the uber cunt in this bar.

    Awesome rant Lildreamer, and VERY well said!

    Exactly.. Your Momma is at home.

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