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    Default What Comes 1st: The Stripper/Chicken or The Customer/Egg?

    I’ll preface this by stating that I’m not describing a thinly veiled attempt to get a regular (me) to visit the club for a little cash drain; I’ve received enough of those calls from other dancers to recognize the difference.

    Every once in a while, a stripper friend (let’s call her “SCD”) will phone and ask me for a “pep talk” regarding going into work. SCD cites several contributing factors to her burnout, including the negative attitudes of certain dancers, her weekly Los Angeles-Las Vegas loop (2 days in L.A./3 days in Vegas/2 days off) and her interests outside exotic entertainment. However, SCD’s number one lament remains the unpredictable nature of the customers in either city, which baffles her because “They come to the club to see us in the first place!”.

    On the other side of the issue, there are certain guys I know who question the validity of my using “dancer” and “friend” in the same sentence when I mention SCD’s pep talks. They unwittingly validate SCD’s opinions with statements like “she wakes up thinking about money,”; “these girls act like you owe them something if they sit with you,”; and the old stand-by: “Forget about those bitches, ‘cause they need us more than we need them!”

    So, what comes first? The chicken or the egg? The stripper or the customer? Is it an absurd question because SCD and her customers appear dependent on one another?

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    If you are trying to figure out who needs who more...it's futile. It is a symbiotic relationship.

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    Default Re: What Comes 1st: The Stripper/Chicken or The Customer/Egg?

    I believe the customers need the dancers more. If there wasn't a demand for us, there would be no strip clubs open. Therefore, the customer always needs the dancer.

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    Default Re: What Comes 1st: The Stripper/Chicken or The Customer/Egg?

    Evolutionarily I'd say that neither the egg or the chicken came first. Eggs weren't always eggs, and chickens weren't always chickens; both have evolved from simpler organisms.

    As for the real question... it seems like it's symbiotic to me. There is probably some ego reasons to want to know which came first, but people came first. They've been making trades with each other (of goods and services) long before there were strip clubs. This is just a specific case of trade that you could argue has evolved in some societies that have sufficient time, technology, liberalism, and wealth to make this type of trade viable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budai View Post
    They unwittingly validate SCD’s opinions with statements like “she wakes up thinking about money,”; “these girls act like you owe them something if they sit with you,”; and the old stand-by: “Forget about those bitches, ‘cause they need us more than we need them!”

    reading that makes own burnout "act up".

    and i agree, it's symbiotic

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    Its like you're going to a store (a strip club) and picking up a product. You choose the "product" that seems most suitable to your desires. The customers are the source of Demand and dancers are the supply. There wouldn't be a supply without a demand. There would still be women, but they wouldn't be strippers.

    The customer is first.

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    Default Re: What Comes 1st: The Stripper/Chicken or The Customer/Egg?

    My brain hurts.

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    Ask Colonel Sanders...I bet he knows...

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    Default Re: What Comes 1st: The Stripper/Chicken or The Customer/Egg?

    ...chicks come from eggs at the stripper farm. Customers feed the chicks keeping them alive.
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    Default Re: What Comes 1st: The Stripper/Chicken or The Customer/Egg?

    I'll go for simbiotic relationship as well - not to mention the supply/demand explanation.

    And to pick up the OP's point, there are many forms of dancer/customer interaction.

    'SCD' is a dancer that likes to vent to a sympathetic customer. Other dancers prefer to vent to their contemporaries, and some girls will internalise it because they prefer to keep their feelings to themselves.

    Both we customers and dancers come equiped with a wide variety of personalities and opinions - shake us up in the melting pot and you can find almost any form of interaction/relationship.

    It's what floats your boat, I guess.

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    Default Re: What Comes 1st: The Stripper/Chicken or The Customer/Egg?

    The egg!


    Darwinian Chicken

    A further analysis of Darwinian theory finds that all animals were preceded by, and evolved from, ancestors that were not exactly like them. Changes in DNA as a result of the combinations of mutation, mistakes in DNA repair, ecological affects, and other influences allowed for the development of creatures that more harmoniously coexisted with the changing environment. As a result, with each successive evolutionary change, there is necessarily a creature that lacked the characteristics of that which later evolved. In the case of birds, including chickens, the eggs of the pre-evolved creature contained the newly evolved living animal. Specifically, a pre-chicken laid an egg that contained the newly evolved chicken. Thus, from the Darwinian perspective, we clearly find that the egg preceded the newly evolved chicken.
    In simplest terms, we may make several assumptions: a) millions of years ago, ancestors of the present day chicken did not contain the exact DNA or other characteristics of today’s chicken—thus, this was not a chicken; b) this pre-chicken was probably the ancestor of several egg-laying avian dinosaurs; c) each successive generation of these ancestral birds resulted in creatures that more closely approximate what we now know as a chicken. In an evolutionary timeline, we can see the result of our assumptions, and the answer to this alleged dilemma becomes clear:


    Jurassic Non-Chicken » Egg » Triassic Non-Chicken » Egg » || History Continues || » Great Grandmother of Chicken » Egg à Grandmother of Chicken » Egg » Mother of Chicken » Egg » FIRST CHICKEN » Egg » Another Chicken » Egg-cetera.

    With each successive generation, a nonchicken evolved closer to what became the first chicken. That first chicken arrived into this world from the confines of an egg. So, what came first? Clearly the egg preceded the chicken. Further, it does not matter where you draw the line between what you may call a chicken and a nonchicken. If for example, in the above diagram, you decide that the nonchicken identified as “Mother of Chicken” contained enough “essence of chickenness” to be identified as the chicken, then this creature was still preceded by, and came forth from an egg.
    If you haven't had enough:

    http://radicalpedagogy.icaap.org/con...04_garner.html

    Oh, and the customer came first. Strip clubs are just artificial environments that substitute their product for what the customer already wanted.

    The market did not need to be created as it had to be for a number of other products and services.
    "He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!"

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    Default Re: What Comes 1st: The Stripper/Chicken or The Customer/Egg?

    I think the customer came first, especially if you separate that strippers evolved from burlesque performers. I think the first strippers danced for old burlesque customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverback View Post
    FIRST CHICKEN
    LOL. I think you'd find that you'd never get everyone to agree on it if they were actually faced with the task for doing so. Every little difference would be so minor that some biologists would vote one way, some another, and they'd argue it endlessly because in the end, it's we human's that make up the definition, and the definitions we have today were made up after the fact. Lots of species are evolving right now, but without a crystal ball to look well into the future, all we see is a bunch of tiny changes with no apparent direction.

    p.s. Not only would biologists never agree if they actually were forced to pick the "first" chicken in history, but it would dawn on them that the creature the are arguing about is a male or a female. Who wants to claim the first creature of a particular species is the male versus a female descendent? There is a whole new chicken-and-egg argument that would go on forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinatalie View Post
    I think the customer came first, especially if you separate that strippers evolved from burlesque performers. I think the first strippers danced for old burlesque customers.
    There's always been some form of striptease about.

    The classical (and probably mythological one) was Solome's dance of the seven veils in the bible.

    There were topless dance troups in medieval England - we have a historical record of Henry IV (a fairly puritanical king) being less than amused when one was brought to court.

    In the Georgean period, Hogarth's famous series of cartoons - the Rakes' Progress - clearly shows a 'posture woman' about to peform. (They used candles on a sliver platter).

    Somewhere back in the mists of pre-history a neanderthal woman probably said, "I'll strip for you in return for a nice flint knife".

    Phil.

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    The urge for sexual acts has always been there driving us to procreate, as time past, it becomes more evident that we have desired a way to explore those sexual urges more, openly, and with less consequences. We're still on that path. Strippers came about as an answer to it, as did escorts, and porn stars. All different answers to the same need with different levels of acceptance and consequence relative to a very broad and tricky crowd.
    People are not ruled by their memories.

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    A walk through my favorite club at Noon on a Monday proves beyond a doubt that you can have strippers without customers....

    The mistake is to assume that there is a never ending supply of both. My observations over the last couple of years is that a club can always find SOMEBODY who is willing to get naked but there will not always be customers who are interested in watching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    A walk through my favorite club at Noon on a Monday proves beyond a doubt that you can have strippers without customers....
    Some holds true anywhere on a Monday at Noon. Perhaps I should have said the expectation of customers brings in the strippers and the expectation of hot strippers brings in the customers. As a wise man, Mick Jagger, once noted, and we have all learned " You Can't Always Get What You Want"
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Some holds true anywhere on a Monday at Noon. Perhaps I should have said the expectation of customers brings in the strippers and the expectation of hot strippers brings in the customers. As a wise man, Mick Jagger, once noted, and we have all learned " You Can't Always Get What You Want"
    Dude, obviously you've never been to Cheaters....

    "but if you try sometime, you might find, you can get what you need"
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    Dude, obviously you've never been to Cheaters....
    Been there once. Couldn't get out fast enough. And good comeback because that line certainly applies to that place.

    I would reply also that getting what you need there might also get you an infection or disease.
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    I'm reading the OP's question as "Who is more important?/Where does the balance of power lie?" Clearly on the surface you can't do anything that the stripper won't allow, so she's really in charge, but given the different balance of supply and demand in a busy club with fewer girls working versus a quiet club with many girls on duty, your value as a customer can scale accordingly. With that comes the level of effort expended by the girls. Goes both ways.

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    The importance of the paying customer obviously can't be denied but when it comes to who has the power it is the dancer. It's ultimately her decision how hard she is willing to work and what she is willing to do or not do for the customer's dollar.
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    Default Re: What Comes 1st: The Stripper/Chicken or The Customer/Egg?

    I've borrowed this explanation from a user in another forum....

    You're all wrong.

    Once upon a time, there was a diverse group of chickens that lived in a valley next to a cave, in which dwelled the enigmatic eggs.

    Both seemed to have appeared from nowhere. Some have speculated that the chickens were midget dinosaurs with mutated scales that has gone all soft and fluffy. Others speculated that the eggs evolved from rocks with a soft creamy center.

    During this primordial time of prehistory, chickens gave birth to live chickens, and eggs, well, just sat there. Occasionally a gust of wind blew into the cave and some eggs managed to travel slightly further deeper into the cave.

    One day, a brave young hen strutted her skinny legs to the cave on a dare and became the first to lay eyes on the secretive eggs in their dark lair. The eggs, furious at having their privacy intruded upon, gathered to attack the poor hen. Until they realised there was no wind, and they could only sit where they were, being unable to move.

    And so the hen slowly explored the cave and eventually chanced upon a handsome looking egg. The other eggs were mostly deformed, yet this egg was perfectly rounded, yet oval, yet tapered in a most sensual way which ruffled the hen's feathers in more ways than one.

    It was truly the first inter species love affair which threatened to tear apart the social fabric of the chicken and egg cultures.

    No one knew what really happened, but one day in a fit of frenzied cuddling, the hen sat on the egg, cracking its tough exterior to reveal a soft gentle yolk. Of course this also meant the egg was now dead. But little did the hen know that the handsome egg had given her a final gift when she sat upon its tapered and now shattered shell.

    Days later, the very pregnant hen gave birth to what the world's major news agencies at that time, heralded as a miraculous marvel. Eggs resembling the handsome dead egg appeared wherever she sat. And gathering them together into a nest she paid tribute to her one and only love, now an omelette in the hot primeval heat at the cave's entrance. She sat on them. Surprisingly, the eggs cracked outwards and out came chickens.

    To this day, chickens sit on their eggs till they crack in memory of this ancient legend of love.

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