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    Quote Originally Posted by Triton View Post
    she gave me her REAL name.....ooh wow now I know I'm in.
    Probably another fake one lol. I hate when a customer asks me my name, I tell them my stage name, and they give me this you're-not-fooling-me look like they're some sort of brilliant detective and say: "C'mon, that's not your real name." And they want so badly to get me to tell them my real name, why is that so important to them? Would it really make them feel that special? Would that really make them feel like they know me any better? Well, they wouldn't. But when they push for my real name I just laugh and say: "Like I'm really gonna tell you."

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    Consider yourselves lucky that you are not in my shoes and assume that every girl who gives you the time of day or better is after something else than the pleasure of your company. I pray nightly that I meet ANY woman who can convince me of her good intentions. You've read the threads.

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    You're funny Mast. (Can I call you Mast?) <3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinaida View Post
    Probably another fake one lol. I hate when a customer asks me my name, I tell them my stage name, and they give me this you're-not-fooling-me look like they're some sort of brilliant detective and say: "C'mon, that's not your real name." And they want so badly to get me to tell them my real name, why is that so important to them? Would it really make them feel that special? Would that really make them feel like they know me any better? Well, they wouldn't. But when they push for my real name I just laugh and say: "Like I'm really gonna tell you."

    That's simple b/c every single cust wants to think you like them best,they're your fav.And if you give them you're "real" name they must be rite?They know something about you none of the other custies know.Yeah she's with that dude now but I know her "real" name I'm special......she likes me best.

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    PLdom, it just means that those PL moments are far less frequent and we recover from such lapses in judgment much faster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mastridonicus View Post
    Stripper or not, but for now, lets say she's a stripper, what exactly, do you, the question asker, expect out of asking the "Does she like me"
    It's trying to provide a rationalisation for spending money.

    If we looked at this in a coldly logical way we'd have to ask the question: "is the money I'm spending a good investment?"

    If the answer was "I only come in once or twice a month and spend a modest amount of money and treat it purely as entertainment", the answer would probably have to be - "it's more fun than going to watch a film, etc".

    If the answer was "I spend serious $$$'s on specific dancers during my twice weekly visits" then they need a way to suppress a logical judgement on what we are doing.

    The answer to the "Does she like me" question allows the suspension of disbelief - we avoid the need to come up wth a judgement like "I'm wasting $400 a week on a dancer that probably privately thinks I'm an anal retentive".

    That's not to say that a customer in the PL bracket totally suspends disbelief, but he can suspend it enough that he no longer applies cold logic to his sitiuation - he can say to himself "I'm spending lots of $$$'s on this dancer who likes me, but my case is different from customer B over there who's wasting lots of $$$'s on his dancer who just sees him as a source of income".

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    Now he's a real cold answer to the does she like me question.No she's only pretending to so you keep giving her money.Then she takes the money you gave her and spends it on or with her b/f.....the cat she really likes.Now let's just imagine after a guys spends lots of money on a girl she says thanks now I can go buy my b/f a B-day present,or X-mas present,or take him to dinner for a change,or whaatever.I know she uses most of the money on rent, clothes,food, her daughter,etc but some of it goes to doing things with the b/f....the guy she really likes.And that is the reality.In my exp that is the true answer to does she like me.I know I've heard more than once I had a good day at work let's go out tonite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triton View Post
    That's simple b/c every single cust wants to think you like them best,they're your fav.And if you give them you're "real" name they must be rite?They know something about you none of the other custies know.Yeah she's with that dude now but I know her "real" name I'm special......she likes me best.
    Why do they care so much that one of us should like them best? Why do they invest so much emotion(?) into someone that they'll probably never see again lol. When customers have tried to tell me that us dancers are the ones with low self esteem, I tell them that I think it's mostly the other way around.

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    As a DJ I had a lot of fun,mostly all I cared about was the music and my alchol, but there were times I'd sit back and just observe.I'd pretend like I wasn't even there and I learned a lot that way.In my exp depending on the cust and the dancer it can work all ways.In some cases the girls have a low self-esteem and want guys to constantly tell them you're hot,you're pretty,you have a great bod.Then there are some guys that haven't had pussy since pussy had them and they want attention from a girl.....any girl even if they have to pay for it.Then there are guys and girls with a very high self-esteem,take everything that happens ITC with a grain of salt,walk out the door and go about their normal everyday lives.
    As for the being the fav thing?Yeah if they're spending a lot of money on you they want to think you like them best.That can rationalizing the amount of money spent or a low self-esteem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svelt View Post
    Just like when someone asks if it is ethical if I do such and such. If you have to ask the answer is "No". I think the posters really know they are totally off base, and really want someone to help them get back to reality. The expectation is that the group here understands, and can help.
    That makes sense, and with Yoda's input, it's not hard to see that, though understanding is sought, the truth is easily misconstrued as an insult.

    When my head gets messed up, and the total PL is gaining traction, I will formulate a post for SW. Often merely trying to explain whats going on in my head to a group of people who possibly might understand, helps me to understand and no longer need to post.
    SEE THERE IT IS. That's actually the X-factor. When I post, I try to anticipate my answers. I just would love to hear a poster say "Man when I came back, I was hoping to see x y z" But I got that.


    Bingo, nope thoughtful and sensitive.
    Yea. Poorly worded. I just meant that we ARE brethren, but that doesn't mean we know

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    You're funny Mast. (Can I call you Mast?) <3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil-W View Post
    That's not to say that a customer in the PL bracket totally suspends disbelief, but he can suspend it enough that he no longer applies cold logic to his sitiuation - he can say to himself "I'm spending lots of $$$'s on this dancer who likes me, but my case is different from customer B over there who's wasting lots of $$$'s on his dancer who just sees him as a source of income".

    Phil.
    Makes sense. It's a hard realization to swallow when that bull leaves the chinashop in shambles.
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    Usually, a noob will ask the question, "Does she really like me." It's a reasonable question for a noob to ask, sometimes. If the dancer goes overboard with her affections with the noob in their first few meetings, it may lead to some confusion for him. (Kissing him, giving him her phone#, etc)

    His initial confusion doesn't make him a loser or somehow deficient. No! It makes him human.

    If an attractive woman with high self-esteem goes to a male SC for the first time, and a male dancer makes-out with her and gives her his phone# the first time they meet, she might ask, "Does he really like me." She may be confused until she knows how the SC business works. It's not a big mystery as to why she was confused.

    If the noob is asking, "Does she really like me," it's a sign of healthy scepticism. Otherwise, he would have said, "She really likes me." So, him just asking the question means he has doubts, which is a good sign for him becoming a SC junkie.

    So, cut the noobs some slack. Noobs in any new endeavor (new job, new relationship, etc.) can become confused until they get their feet wet.

    I knew from day one the nature of this business. I knew the dancers were being overly friendly in order to make money. I think most guys know that, but there may be a few noobs who are confused.

    They usually learn after several visits to the SC. There are exceptions to the rule, of course, just like every subject on SW.

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    ^^
    I don't have problem with them asking, it's just when they don't like the answers that they get and get shitty that i have a problem.
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    His initial confusion doesn't make him a loser or somehow deficient. No! It makes him human.
    Agreed completely, I was just interested in whether or not some of the noobs could materialize in words what their lofty expectations where. I never once said that I didn't understand why, or intended to shame them for becoming a PL.

    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
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    I don't have problem with them asking, it's just when they don't like the answers that they get and get shitty that i have a problem.
    Yea, and THAT is the reason for my asking. It's just CONSISTENT that it ends up getting nasty, so naturally, I wonder: "How could this have worked out differently, What would we say to the person asking? Hell, what do they want to HEAR?"
    People are not ruled by their memories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mastridonicus View Post
    Agreed completely, I was just interested in whether or not some of the noobs could materialize in words what their lofty expectations where. I never once said that I didn't understand why, or intended to shame them for becoming a PL.
    You'd also have to ask the question as to how your average SC'r is going to learn to distinguish fantasy from reality. There seem to be three main ways:

    * He gets to know a dancer well enough for her to vent her feelings about other customers to him.

    * He has a friend who's paid $X,000 in the vain hope of turning a dancer from stripper to gf.

    * He's paid $X,000 in the vain hope of turning a dancer from stripper to gf.

    * He reads a website like this.

    The first three are going to take time anyway. Judging from the limited number of guys who post on this site, most SC'rs are not interested in reality anyway.

    You'd then have to say that the odds are many/most guys take the illusion of a SC for the reality. In which case the "do you really like me" question comes from them having a stereotypical image of a stripper in their mind and having their fantasy about seeing/dating a dancer validated by the "yes, I like you" reply.

    After all, the only way most guy's can rationalise their long term spending is if they see a potential reward at the end of it.

    I've always thought strip clubs are like a conjurer's illusion - examine them too closely and the magic goes.

    Phil.

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