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    I was wondering how you guys deal with this. i have been talking to someone on-line who has a very negative opinion of strippers. Her reason is that she says her step-son had a very bad experience. He is quite mentally challenged apparently, and ended up spending all his inheritance (which was intended for him to live off of for some time) on a dancer. She says the dancer "led him on" to believe they had "something" (who knows what that means exactly, or if it's true at all).

    It made me think back to when I first started dancing. There was this one guy who was obviously quite challenged who would come in and buy dances occasionally (not from me). Never to an extreme excess though, usually just 1 or 2 before he would leave. I remember talking to another girl about it, and she said sometimes situations like that made her uncomfortable because some other people would spend a lot of money, and she wondered if they were as capable of managing their money as you would expect another adult man to do. Then again, is it right to refuse to do a dance with someone because of their "condition?" Would that be more hurtful? Anyway, just wanted to know what other's thoughts and experiences are regarding this, since it's never come up for me and I'm not sure what to do if it did.

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    Back when I was escorting for an agency they used to send me to a client who was obviously mentally challenged. He even lived in an apartment for disabled people. He would get me usually for 2-3 hours, plus other girls on days I was not working. He was quite a regular customer so when he stopped calling I become concerned and asked the agency owner if he had heard from him. The owner told me his family finally put two and two together (his phone bill plus the amount of money coming from his account) and called the agency.Apparently he was only calling his family member and the agency-that was his call record from Bell Canada.



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    Anyone witih an IQ under 70 has a get out of jail free card, regardless of what they do to me. For that reason, I would be careful about hustling anyone with a mental deficiency. All guys get mad at a hustle, but some really don't have the skills to deal with it rationally.

    One time I was dancing for this guy, it was his birthday and his friend had asked me to take him to the VIP for a dance. So I am doing the first song, and then I catch on that he is a little slow. Shootergirl comes over and asks him if he wants a shot. He accepts the drink. Then she asks him for $9. He FREAKED out!!

    All the sudden this gentle giant turned into a monster and he was like "YOU DIDN"T TELL ME THAT!!" Like he was seriously expecting that drink for free and he went balistic when it wasn't.

    And his friend saw the rucas and came over and got him and he left.

    But I would not want to be the dancer who runs up a $500 tab, then started arguing with that guy about calling the police if he didn't pay. He could really have gone crazy. And if one of these people attacks you or god fobid kills you, the system protects them.

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    I would certainly never hustle anyone who was "slow" or disabled in that way, Honestly, the situation just makes me way to nervous! But how would you suggest one would go about saying no should they request?

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    If he seems to understand what he is paying for then I suppose it's his decision.

    I'm just saying don't take any liberties in those situations that fall into the grey area.

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    Um, no matter how mentally challenged someone is... they still have something called FREE WILL. As far as I'm aware, even mentally challenged people know the power of the word NO.

    Plus, what if it was known that this guy was mentally challenged then why wasn't someone "in charge" of this guy's money for him? Even if he was only given a weekly allowance... again.. FREE WILL... he is allowed to spend it as he pleases.

    What if it wasn't a stripper that took all of this guy's money... what if it was someone else? Would the woman paint that profession with one broad stroke of the brush (that is her negative opinion)? Sheesh.


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    Um, no matter how mentally challenged someone is... they still have something called FREE WILL. As far as I'm aware, even mentally challenged people know the power of the word NO.

    Plus, what if it was known that this guy was mentally challenged then why wasn't someone "in charge" of this guy's money for him? Even if he was only given a weekly allowance... again.. FREE WILL... he is allowed to spend it as he pleases.

    What if it wasn't a stripper that took all of this guy's money... what if it was someone else? Would the woman paint that profession with one broad stroke of the brush (that is her negative opinion)? Sheesh.
    Would you say this if a man wanted sex from a retarded girl? How about if a girl was so drunk she couldn't stand up let alone make sense of what was going on and so a couple of guys started taking advantage of her? Would you consider it ok because they are all exercising Free Will? Do they fully understand what is going on and how to say no? Because I wouldn't assume so...and thankfully neither would the courts.

    Sorry, some people are not legally capable of consent and it is not ok morally or legally to just plow ahead.

    Thankfully, most people have a little more regard for other people....which is hopefully returned in most cases...it usually is.

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    I would go ahead and hustle them for their money. If they are in the club then they have some knowledge of what is going on. Just make sure that you explain to them in words they know and understand what is happening, what is going to happen, and how it is done. And get your money up front. You need to make sure that they fully understand what is going on. If they do, go ahead and do your thing. If not, then I would back off.
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    Are we referring to the disabled here or the insane? There has to be a distinction made between the two conditions, and POSSIBLY how a dancer should treat men under either circumstance. I have not had any experience seeing disabled customers in a strip club, but I'd have to say, the insane ones, sell them a dance or two if it seems safe by all means, but check your own conscience carefully before you let them hand over title deeds to houses or anything else that could give the insane custy a sense that you owe him something. Remember these guys are not bound by the same rules as the rest of us if they lash out in a fit of anger, and any paramedic or cop will tell you a lot of these guys are SUPER strong when they've really lost it.

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    I hustle them. They're there to have a good time just like everyone else. And hell, they often have a better time than people of average intelligence. I must say though, that I have never encountered a mentally challenged person in the club that was not there with a custodian/helper/friend. That can make all the difference.

    The guy mentioned in the original post... Someone drove him to the club. Someone knew he was there. Why didn't they escort this guy in and be there in case they were needed? It's the family's problem if they weren't there to help and support their own family member. (I know that mentally challenged people can do many things on their own....) but perhaps in this situation they could have been there hanging out with him in the club to help him use some discretion. Family's fault. Not the stripper's.
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    I stayed away from them because they generally couldn't follow the rules (touchy feely), and would have varied reactions. However, I also used to work in a group home for the mentally retarded, which influenced my morals.

    It's sad. Mentally retarded people have sexual needs too (although I think that they should never ever reproduce), but access is limited and they can get fucked over easily.

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    Um...
    I think the issue is that they aren't really aware of what is going on, and that they have a medical and psychological condition that prevents them from being able to manage complicated exchanges.

    That said- it is a difficult area. I mean, the mentally challenged and disabled have what you might call legitimate demand for the service - I mean, they might want to touch a girl too. Who are we to say "no, you can't buy this service because you are retarded"? When you throw in the awkwardness of (for example) not knowing if someone is mentally disabled, the degree of the disability or if he just has, for example, a speech impediment - nasty, horrible, awkward situation. I would say that you are ethically bound - as is anyone who sells a potentially expensive service - to not take advantage of it. But that doesn't answer how to know when one is taking advantage, or (even better) how to get out of it if you feel that you are.
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    There was a mentally challenged guy from my old club that was a complete asshole. He would reach for you pussy onstage while giving you a dollar...there is a line when it comes to taking advantage of someone. But still, just cause you have a low IQ doesn't mean you don't know right from wrong. Which is why we have this heavy documentation at most clubs for CCs. Guys spend too much without thinking, and then they call the CC company and do a chargeback...I think usually blaming their level of intoxication.

    For me, I'd prefer to stay away from questionable situations involving IQs
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    I leave mentally challenged people *and* mentally ill people alone. There are plenty of other people in a club that I can hustle money from, I don't feel right doing it to people who are not all there.

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    I have danced for mentally challenged customers. They want some entertainment as much as the next person, perhaps they are in need of some female attention even more.

    Would I drain the guy dry? No. I would dance for him as many times as he wanted but I wouldn't use any manipulative techniques as I don't think that would be fair.

    I also wouldn't want to have one as a regular because there is such a "head-fuck" (for want of a better word)element in maintaining the regular relationship.
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    ^I've done the same thing, Jaiz. The other girls in the club were being very judgemental towards this young man, and would not approach him, even though he was spending money. So I went up to him...I wanted him to have a good time just like everybody else. Also...all the other guys in the club were laughing and making fun of him. ...But I never took advantage of the fact that he was "mentally challenged." He was very sweet...and as a matter of fact, I told him to be very careful not to spend too much money on me, and to watch out for the "sharks." I wouldn't take one in as a regular, either. That's ruthless IMO.
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    Same goes for men in wheelchairs. The girls often ignore them and I always make sure I approach them - for them not me. it is difficult dancing for a guy in a wheelchair but it's cruel not to approach them.

    The other week a dwarf came into the club and he told my manager that he had been in another strip club up the road for 3 hours and was ignored by all the dancers until he got fed up and left. So my manager told a few of the girls to approach him and then he asked one of the girls if the only reason she approached him was coz the manager said something, which she denied. He got lots of dances and had a lot of money to spend as he apparently owned a business and was after some good fun just like any other customer.
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    What you also need to consider is that most states have "protection of the mentally disabled" legislation. Which can leave your club and you liable if the matter was taken to court. DA's and public prosecutors love these sort of cases due to the overwhelming public support/news coverage they generate.

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    Why is a mentally-challenged guy being brought to case here, but not a married guy or a fantasy addict? Truly, a fantasy addict has a huge weakness to be exploited as much so as a mentally-challenged guy.

    A married guy has made a commitment to his wife, but he is breaking it.
    A fantasy addict can't stop spending money on his addiction.
    A mentally-challenged guy can't understand how much money he is spending.
    (Yes, these are scenarios that May happen, based on stereotypes.)

    From my experiences, most guys who frequent sc's are in one way or another, weak. This isn't any different than preying on the married guy.

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    ^^
    good points. I dont agree that a married man is cheating on his wife. At least not if he gets a dance at my club.
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    i've danced for quite a few disabled (physically and/or mentally) customers. as long as they follow the same rules, i don't treat them any different. as far as leading a customer on goes, i would never do it. if i think a customer is starting to have REAL "feelings" for me (which has only happened twice) i nip it in the bud. i'm not talking about "he wants to fuck me OTC" i mean actual romantic feelings. being disabled might make that more likely to occur without encouragement from the dancer, but the dancer would still be aware once it started to happen. i think at that point, it's your obligation as a decent human being to reaffirm the boundries of your "relationship".

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    Same goes for men in wheelchairs. The girls often ignore them and I always make sure I approach them - for them not me. it is difficult dancing for a guy in a wheelchair but it's cruel not to approach them.
    Very true on this, if I see a guy in a wheelchair, on crutches, etc... I will go up to them because a lot of times girls won't go up to them and I feel bad for them because they are customers too and want attention, just cause they are disabled in that way doesn't mean that they won't spend money, most of the time when I go up to a guy in a wheelchair or something, they thank me for coming up to them cause they have just been sitting there alone, and a lot of times they will get a dance or atleast tip me well for acknowledging them when they have been there lonely all night.

    As for "mentally Challenged" customers, I would not hustle them for their money, but if they insisted they want a dance and agree to understanding the cost and everything, then i'm not going to tell them no.

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    There's a "borderline" type regular customer at my club who tips me really well on stage. He has another girl whom he gets dances from. He's told me he has mild cerebal palsy but holds down a job. I don't think what his ATF does to him is fair. She leads him on, has given him her number...etc. Apparently, he just gives her his wallet and says to take out as much as she needs. He's paid for her rent and moving expenses too. He recently told her that he wants them to go to marriage counseling together. Obviously, he's confused...and she just allows him to continue thinking that they have a "relationship" to get his cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fifi View Post
    Her reason is that she says her step-son had a very bad experience. He is quite mentally challenged apparently, and ended up spending all his inheritance (which was intended for him to live off of for some time) on a dancer. She says the dancer "led him on" to believe they had "something" (who knows what that means exactly, or if it's true at all).
    If her stepson is mentally challenged, then whoever left him the money is an idiot. A trust can be designed to distribute the inheritance over his lifetime so he doesn't blow it on new cars, new clothes, new dancers, or any other peddled product. No, I don't believe this woman. I think she's lying.

    I have danced for retarded people because they come in to see tits and like every other customer, they believe we think they are special. Well, you know what I mean.

    I had a retarded boy get tons and tons of dances all paid for by his cousin and dad. I had a retarded man get tons and tons of dances bought by his coworkers. He liked it so much that he started paying from his own wallet.

    However, I do stay away from the mentally ill. If anyone is crazy enough to display their psychological problems, well ... not for me. I also stay away from people who admit to having spent time in prison.

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    I used to have a custie that was mentally challanged. He would get a dance or two...I wouldnt ever push for more and always made sure he understood that we were not a cpl..this was just for fun. I also always made him pay up front...if only to ensure that he had the money he thought he had(sometimes he had trouble telling the differance between bills...sadly I'm sure some girls took advantage of that)

    He held a job and lived on his own. He never overspent(at least not when I was with him...though I never told anyone about his problem with telling bills apart and he was a bit loud and raucous so most girls stayed away. I honestly didnt trust the other girls at this club not to take advantage of him..so i'd try to keep an eye out for him even when i wasnt dancing for him. If I saw a hard core hustler eyeing him. ,I'd go sit for a minute to keep her at bay. Some of these girls would have told hinm they loved him to get him to empty his bank account..and he would have. In this situation..thats just not right.

    Entertain them like everyone else...but dont hustle or take advantage..they dont know the differance.

    This guy disappeared for a few weeks and came back telling me he had a new girlfriend. That they were going to get married as soon as she came out to FL. He met her in Vegas at a brothel. Lost his virginity to her. I thought it was BS and felt bad for him...but very soon never saw him again. Maybe it was real..who knows. Odder things have happened.

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