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    God DAMMIT!! Went to the dr today...I was feeling thinner and thinking I was making progress....oh no...I'm an even fatter pig then I was when i was there 6 months ago.

    I'm almost 5'7" and according to the dr's scale today I'm 151 pounds. 5 years ago i was 128.

    I work out 5-6 days a week(not counting dancing). alternating weights and treadmill..I usually ht the heavy bag at least once a week too, but I had to take it down a cpl months ago and havent gotten around to puttng it back up.

    Normal day for food:
    wake up..coffee with Splenda and soy milk..1 cup. Any mor ethen 1 cup and I drink it black
    after about an hour or so I try to force myself to eat SOMETHING..even though I'm usually not hungry. Usually cereal. Special K or Grape Nuts are my favs.

    if I'm working..I try to eat somethign before work. Something that has some protein so I wont be hungry at the club and some carbs for energy. Ex: pasta and veggies with chicken, fat free refried beans with tomatoes and low fat cheese on whole grain chips or pita,half a turkey sandwich on whole grain bread..lettuce tomato onion cheese and spicy mustard.

    I dont usually eat at work..it makes me feel bloated. If I'm STARVING I have a Luna bar. But thats rare.

    After work I have a little something...if hubby has made something I can eat(he often does red meat and pork when I'm not home because I dont eat that...so he has it when he's alone at dinner)..but usually I have some rice and veggies or leftover chicken if there is some with steamed veggies.

    Often I have a midnight snack...I've switched from haveing frozen pizza or bags of chips to high fiber low fat crackers with a bit of cheese.

    On days I dont work its pretty much the same..except lunch is lighter and I will often make a "real" dinner for the two of us...salad,usually baked or grilled chicken or fish, steamed veggies..maybe a potato. I rarely eat more then half of whats on my plate.

    I VERY rarely eat sweets..I can count the times I've had fast food this year on one hand, I never drink soda(except once in awhile as a mixer!)
    At home..I only drink water or unsweetened iced tea. I dont overindulge in alcohol either.

    So I'm not sitting on my ass all day polishing off a box of Ding Dongs....I'm really trying and not only am I not losing..I'm GAINING. What the hell??? Am I supposed to starve myself??

    Anyone?? I'm really tired of being fat...my dr even did a full thyroid panel on me a few months ago because he cant figure it out either and it came back fine.

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    If you've gained mass after working out and eating well (but look and feel slimmer), it isn't fat! It's MUSCLE!

    Silly girl, you're not getting fat, you're getting ripped!
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    ^^ i'd agree if it were a cpl pounds..but in the lst few years I've gained over 20 pounds!! That aint all muscle....

    I wish I was ripped..I'm not. I'm still flabby

    I think all my years of yo yo dieting, borderline ED's and hard core diet drugs(ephedra in stupid high doses) have screwed up my metabolism beynd repair...

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    We have an excellent advice columist in the lounge, you should pose this question to her.


    All kidding aside you should have a Body fat % test taken, and base your diet on those number rather than weight alone. You may be eating a diet that promotes muscle gain with the amount of exercise that you do. YTouy may need to tailor the diet to burn some musce as well as fat to achive what you are looking for. If Rozz is around, I'm sureshe can have mor input on this.
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    Don't you have pancreas problems? I'm afraid that you might be predisposed. I'd definitely see a doc about this, as your body isn't normal. I also don't want you to wreck your health.

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    i am by no means an expert in nutrition, but from reading your post the part i can think might be a problem was the rice and pasta. Even if its a small quantity, my body will hold on to it because of a shitty metabolism, maybe its a similar problem? In order to not get fat all i eat is veggies and protein for the most part. For sugar/ carbs and energy i eat a lot of fruit. Also, i count, but not necessarily limit, the calories i take in and vary the amount of cardio i do accordingly, it may sound obsessive but its the only way my body responds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatshepsut View Post
    Don't you have pancreas problems? I'm afraid that you might be predisposed. I'd definitely see a doc about this, as your body isn't normal. I also don't want you to wreck your health.
    Yes i do. I have meds I have to take 3 times daily for the rest of my life because of a malformed pancreas. i've seen my dr..he is clueless as to why I cant lose. With my diet and excersize i should be a toothpick....

    He doesnt want to prescribe any diet meds because they havent had any testing to show what if any affect they have on the pancreas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkkitten View Post
    i am by no means an expert in nutrition, but from reading your post the part i can think might be a problem was the rice and pasta. Even if its a small quantity, my body will hold on to it because of a shitty metabolism, maybe its a similar problem? In order to not get fat all i eat is veggies and protein for the most part. For sugar/ carbs and energy i eat a lot of fruit. Also, i count, but not necessarily limit, the calories i take in and vary the amount of cardio i do accordingly, it may sound obsessive but its the only way my body responds.
    I've decreased my carb intake by probably 75% in the past year or so. I refuse to give it up completely...esp since I can only eat chicken or fish..and even at that only once or twice a week because my body doesnt process the proteins well..if I eat too much I get sick. And I dont want to exist on veggies alone...

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    Now, as noted earlier, I'm not a fat, toothlessly slobbering PL, but I play one here on SW.

    Reading your post, I don't see anything egregiously wrong with your diet, save perhaps the lack of regularity in eating and a bit more refined carbs than might be good for you. By this I mean it's generally beneficial to your metabolism to have more regular intake of calories, to prevent wide swings in your BMR and to keep you from being hungry. This is where the five small meals daily concept applies.

    Other things to consider:

    --Any prescription medications in the mix? Many of these drugs have side effects directly or indirectly related to metabolic changes.

    --And what about your sleep? Lack of sleep really fools with your metabolic processes and statistically, people who don't get enough regular sleep are more prone to being overweight and/or obese.

    --Caffeinated beverages work as diuretics in your systems, dehydrating you. Dehydration is bad for anyone, but especially for anyone trying to get right-sized.

    --Are you really getting fat, or are you just concerned with the scale's numbers? Are your clothes fitting/not fitting? What are your real body measurements--those are the numbers that count the most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    --Any prescription medications in the mix? Many of these drugs have side effects directly or indirectly related to metabolic changes.
    Yep. Because of various health issues I take @ 15 pills a day. none of them list weight gain as a side effect that I know of..

    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    --And what about your sleep? Lack of sleep really fools with your metabolic processes and statistically, people who don't get enough regular sleep are more prone to being overweight and/or obese.
    I am a chronic insomniac. My dr has me on Ambian to sleep...with it I get @7 hours a night with 3-4 15 minute or so interruptions. Without it..I've gone days without sleep and the little I get will be interrupted by me waking up 7-10 times a night.

    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    --Caffeinated beverages work as diuretics in your systems, dehydrating you. Dehydration is bad for anyone, but especially for anyone trying to get right-sized.
    I drink coffe in the morning..usually 2 cups, and I often have a cup of green tea at night. But I drink water constantly all day...so I dont think I am dehydrated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    --Are you really getting fat, or are you just concerned with the scale's numbers? Are your clothes fitting/not fitting? What are your real body measurements--those are the numbers that count the most.
    My clothes seem to be a bit looser...but the scale is still going up it seems. And I'm nowhere near where I want to be...I'd like to ideally lose 25 pounds

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    Yep. Because of various health issues I take @ 15 pills a day. none of them list weight gain as a side effect that I know of..
    None of them may list individual issues of body mass fluctuations, but their synergistic effects may indeed contribute to your otherwise unexplainable condition. A good pharmacist could probably do a cross-reference for you.

    I drink coffe in the morning..usually 2 cups, and I often have a cup of green tea at night. But I drink water constantly all day...so I dont think I am dehydrated.
    Ah, green tea is very good for you--green teas are excellent metabolizers of fat in the body, as well as detoxification. More of that would not hurt you--so long as you don't eat a lot of dairy (leads to calcification of stones)

    My clothes seem to be a bit looser...but the scale is still going up it seems. And I'm nowhere near where I want to be...I'd like to ideally lose 25 pounds
    From where would you like to lose 25 pounds? If your clothing hasn't become tighter (in a bad way, of course...ahem) and your physical measurements aren't increasingly negative, there exists the possibility that you are increasing your muscle and bone to fat ratio. As mentioned above, a body composition caliper test might be in order, here. Again, focusing on the scale's numbers rather than your actual size and day-to-day health and fitness is not a good idea. I mean, I'm a pretty demanding guy when it comes to the quality of women upon whom I perv, but I can see 151 pounds on a 5'7" frame looking pretty good...I think some photographic evidence of this "problem" is in order...ahem.

    Few other things to consider:

    --Are you using Chromium Picolinate? Many folks find that to be an excellent tool in the battle against fat, as it's a great thermogenic that doesn't futz with your system like stimulants (ephedra, et al).

    --Even if you're just having a protein bar between meals, this frequency of eating will speed your metabolism and prevent muscle loss, not to mention stabilizing your blood sugar and energy levels.

    --Since you're very active, increase your level of protein significantly. Think about having near 50% of your daily 1500 calorie diet in protein.
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    ED's are a bitch to recover from, and we who have messed with ephedra and phentermine type stuff have an even harder time it seems.

    Have you tried doing several cardio sessions a day? This really helped me. Also, it seems like I have to spend 3-4 hrs a day on the treadmill to lose (and that's not happening), but just 25-30 min 2 times a day on the stairmaster gets the job done. Running also works wonders if you can tolerate it (but it's tough on the joints and I believe I remember you saying you had joint problems).

    Maybe try cutting out the cereal. I've never been able to lose if I'm eating cereal, even the healthy stuff. Dunno why. I switched to a Southbeach bar and a coffee with skim, yummy and almost the same morning feel to it. Oh, and if your eating white rice try whole grain instead. I cut all white carbs and only eat whole grain stuff and it really helped.

    Best of Luck!
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    Cam....Pancreas probs.....I'm sure you've been going to your own Dr. for awhile, but I would suggest that you see another Endocrinologist. Tell him/her about your weight issues, and coupled with your medical history, they may just notice something your regular Dr. has missed. It happens, with seeing one Dr. for an extended time, sometimes they begin to miss subtle clues. And seeing as you're just getting heavier, not fatter....you may damn well be gaining muscle weight....you don't have to look ripped to have a ton of muscle, ya know :o) It can hide under the tiniest bit of body fat. But that muscle is compact, so you'd never know that your weight had changed without a scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    None of them may list individual issues of body mass fluctuations, but their synergistic effects may indeed contribute to your otherwise unexplainable condition. A good pharmacist could probably do a cross-reference for you.



    Ah, green tea is very good for you--green teas are excellent metabolizers of fat in the body, as well as detoxification. More of that would not hurt you--so long as you don't eat a lot of dairy (leads to calcification of stones)



    From where would you like to lose 25 pounds? If your clothing hasn't become tighter (in a bad way, of course...ahem) and your physical measurements aren't increasingly negative, there exists the possibility that you are increasing your muscle and bone to fat ratio. As mentioned above, a body composition caliper test might be in order, here. Again, focusing on the scale's numbers rather than your actual size and day-to-day health and fitness is not a good idea. I mean, I'm a pretty demanding guy when it comes to the quality of women upon whom I perv, but I can see 151 pounds on a 5'7" frame looking pretty good...I think some photographic evidence of this "problem" is in order...ahem.

    Few other things to consider:

    --Are you using Chromium Picolinate? Many folks find that to be an excellent tool in the battle against fat, as it's a great thermogenic that doesn't futz with your system like stimulants (ephedra, et al).

    --Even if you're just having a protein bar between meals, this frequency of eating will speed your metabolism and prevent muscle loss, not to mention stabilizing your blood sugar and energy levels.

    --Since you're very active, increase your level of protein significantly. Think about having near 50% of your daily 1500 calorie diet in protein.

    The key is good pharmcist...I cant imagine the people at Walgreens doing that for me!

    I adore green tea..I make iced tea out of it too and try to drink as much as I can. I dont eat much dairy..a bit of cheese..but ice cream or yogurt,etc..is kind of a twice a year thing. A bit of sour cream from time to time9fat free) and I dont drink milk...I use soymilk.And because of my pancreatic problems, my gallbaldder is affected so I already take meds 3x a day to prevent calcification and stone formation.

    As for where I'd like to lose...stomach and hips is where I carry most of my weight. So thhe 25 I'd like to lose is all off my lower torso. But since you cant really spot reduce...its just 25 overall I'm going for.

    No chromium...I tried it years ago with no results...but I'm thinking of giving it another shot.

    I will try to eat a little bit during the day so I can keep my metabolism spiked. I'll have to force it, but maybe I'll get used to it after awhile?

    I have to be careful about proteins...too much and my body cant process it and I get sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasmine View Post

    Have you tried doing several cardio sessions a day?

    Maybe try cutting out the cereal. I've never been able to lose if I'm eating cereal, even the healthy stuff. Dunno why. I switched to a Southbeach bar and a coffee with skim, yummy and almost the same morning feel to it. Oh, and if your eating white rice try whole grain instead. I cut all white carbs and only eat whole grain stuff and it really helped.

    Best of Luck!
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    I actually have started doing this. Because of my asthma I can only do 15-20 minutes at a time of cardio...so I try to do 2-3 separate sessions on the days I do it.

    Cereal...hmm..I thought I was doing something good..but actually a southbeach bar would work better for me. I'm usually not hungry for hours after I wake up...so a uick bar may work in my favor..thanks!

    I do eat white rice...more veggies then rice, but still. I use minute rice(just because it is easier) and tried the brown whole grain version of that and Uncle Bens. They tasted like ass. Any suggestions for an easy whole grain that actually tastes good?


    And Kitsune83..I'll look into an endocrinologist...never thought of that. My reg dr is a gastroenterologist because of all my other issues..maybe he did miss something

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    Ah, pancreas problems. That would explain many things, including why Chromium Picolinate didn't work (it only enhances existing processes with regard to insulin) and why elevated protein consumption can be a problem for you.

    That's a toughy. I'm now beyond my range of knowledge. The endocrinologist sounds like a good idea.
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    Whole wheat couscous^^

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    It sounds like you're eating wrong for your type. If you have pancreas issues, i don't think going so carby is right for you. In addition to relying on a TAPE MEASURE (instead of a scale), here are the adjustments I would make to what you're eating:

    Normal day for food:
    wake up..coffee with STEVIA and ALMOND MILK (or something other than soy or dairy)

    Omellette with veggies cooked in real butter or coconut oil

    Veggies with chicken OR regular beans (low/no fat isn't greatl refried beans simply aren't good) with tomatoes and goat cheese on whole grain chips or pita OR half a turkey sandwich on Ezekiel bread..lettuce tomato onion goatcheese and spicy mustard.

    If you're STARVING try a LARA bar (enzyme rich and no soy -- soy's really only healthful when it's fermented like miso or tempeh).

    After work try animal protein and veggies. Make sure you have enough fat with the m eal so that you're satisfied and won't need to eat again.

    NO midnight snacks!

    On days I dont work sounds good. Eat the protein on your plate firs tand see how hungry you still are. Then eat the veggies. I bet you won't need the potato. Once again, cook with butter, coconut or even palm oil. Don't starve yourself of fat please.

    Starving yourself is not the answer. You really just want to nourish, support and fuel your life with the foods you eat.

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    Ok..for some bizarre reason..every time I click on "quote" no matter who it is..it's only giving me jasmines post..???

    So I'll try to answer without quoting...

    ahmeerah...because of my pancreatic problems I cant eat the way you suggest..though thats probably a great diet for someone in normal health. My body cant process a lot of protein or fat. If I ate with real butter on a reg basis I'd be curled up in a ball of pain...it triggers bonecrushing pancreatitis. Same with most animal based proteins...red meat esp. Which is why I get most of my protein through soy.

    I have a huge list of food I'm not supposed to eat...sucks. And everything you suggested is on my No-no list! Meat, fatty nuts, butter,eggs....I can handle most of them once in awhile...but as a normal diet it would kill me.

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    You might be setting too much store by the number on the scale. Muscle weighs a lot more than fat, so you can't really know whether you're gaining fat or building muscle when the number goes up. See if the gym will calculate your body fat percentage, or just use a tape measure to track your progress. It's more reliable that way.

    On the food... maybe cut out the midnight snacks, and make lunch your biggest meal of the day. I lose weight when I have a pretty big lunch and a very light dinner. When you go to sleep, your metabolism slows way down and everything you haven't already digested goes into storage. I've heard that the best rule is not to eat anything within two hours of going to bed.

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    I dont go to a gym..I have the equipment in my house, so I'm not sure where to go for the calculation. I have used a tapemeasure. ..and I lost a few inches here and there..but it fluctuates and plateus. Its frustrating.

    I know I should cut out the bedtime snack entirely. I haev stopped it most nights...but it's such a staple of my life(my mother always did this so I grew up with it). I'd actually rather eat NOTHING all day and JUST eat my bedtime snack! LOL!. and I have stopped eating unhealthy stuff(like froxen pizza) at bedtime..instead having a few crackers or a rice cake and filling up on hot green tea.

    I'll try to pare down more so I'm JUST doing the green tea. But I dont think a cpl crackers at night is going to translate into 25 pounds.

    This is when I start to envy cokeheads. Losing weight seems so easy for them...(dont worry...i've never tried it and I doubt I will...its just tempting to lose so easily)

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    ^^^ I hear you. My friend just got REALLY skinny on the cocaine diet and it's very tempting to go that route sometimes! Fortunately I can't afford it.

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    How about if most of your plate consisted of veggies with a little protein (tempeh, miso soup, poultry or fish w/ natually occuring fats). You can probably get away with two or three meals a day like this actually.

    You can't do butter but you eat cheese? I'd hold off on all gluten and dairy for a couple of months.




    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    God DAMMIT!! Went to the dr today...I was feeling thinner and thinking I was making progress....oh no...I'm an even fatter pig then I was when i was there 6 months ago.

    I'm almost 5'7" and according to the dr's scale today I'm 151 pounds. 5 years ago i was 128.

    I work out 5-6 days a week(not counting dancing). alternating weights and treadmill..I usually ht the heavy bag at least once a week too, but I had to take it down a cpl months ago and havent gotten around to puttng it back up.

    Normal day for food:
    wake up..coffee with Splenda and soy milk..1 cup. Any mor ethen 1 cup and I drink it black
    after about an hour or so I try to force myself to eat SOMETHING..even though I'm usually not hungry. Usually cereal. Special K or Grape Nuts are my favs.

    if I'm working..I try to eat somethign before work. Something that has some protein so I wont be hungry at the club and some carbs for energy. Ex: pasta and veggies with chicken, fat free refried beans with tomatoes and low fat cheese on whole grain chips or pita,half a turkey sandwich on whole grain bread..lettuce tomato onion cheese and spicy mustard.

    I dont usually eat at work..it makes me feel bloated. If I'm STARVING I have a Luna bar. But thats rare.

    After work I have a little something...if hubby has made something I can eat(he often does red meat and pork when I'm not home because I dont eat that...so he has it when he's alone at dinner)..but usually I have some rice and veggies or leftover chicken if there is some with steamed veggies.

    Often I have a midnight snack...I've switched from haveing frozen pizza or bags of chips to high fiber low fat crackers with a bit of cheese.

    On days I dont work its pretty much the same..except lunch is lighter and I will often make a "real" dinner for the two of us...salad,usually baked or grilled chicken or fish, steamed veggies..maybe a potato. I rarely eat more then half of whats on my plate.

    I VERY rarely eat sweets..I can count the times I've had fast food this year on one hand, I never drink soda(except once in awhile as a mixer!)
    At home..I only drink water or unsweetened iced tea. I dont overindulge in alcohol either.

    So I'm not sitting on my ass all day polishing off a box of Ding Dongs....I'm really trying and not only am I not losing..I'm GAINING. What the hell??? Am I supposed to starve myself??

    Anyone?? I'm really tired of being fat...my dr even did a full thyroid panel on me a few months ago because he cant figure it out either and it came back fine.

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    ^^ thats pretty close. mostly veggies with a bit of protein(sometimes chicken or fish..sometimes a soy burger) I've cut the carbs considerably..but if I cut them completely I'll get sick.

    And the cheese I eat is low fat usually. Too much full fat cheese and it kills me too.

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    I didn't say to cut carbs completely. Fruits and veggies are carbs. Some are more dense than others.

    How would you get sick if you cut back on your starchy breads and grains? Most people feel better without these in their diets.

    But basically I really think you should just cut the gluten and dairy. It's helped a lot of people lose weight besides helping out their health issues. Sticking to just miso soup and tempeh when it comes to soy products is also helpful.


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    ^^ thats pretty close. mostly veggies with a bit of protein(sometimes chicken or fish..sometimes a soy burger) I've cut the carbs considerably..but if I cut them completely I'll get sick.

    And the cheese I eat is low fat usually. Too much full fat cheese and it kills me too.
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