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    But where does this start, because as a business owner I know how imprtant my employees are to my business. I have talked to a ton of dancers in the last couple weeks and they always say that management are assholes. Some say thats how it has to be and some that management just dont care. Why does management become assholes and what does it take to keep a dancer happy?

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    I think manangers become assholes because they have to work long hours and deal with the same old shit everyday....and they probably don't get paid enough...see us hotties dancing and drinking (some of us)! and they get pissed off. Not that I am defending them though...I have had a lot of problems with management. We have enough shit to deal with!

    I am happy when management leaves me alone. A club where I am bothered is not a club I want to work at. I am an "independant contractor"...right?

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    Basically, you will never make every single dancer happy. Sometimes it's the other way around; sometimes the dancers are just bitches.

    The best thing I can suggest is to make everything balance out as best as possible:

    Keep club running efficiently while also making it as painless and stress free as possible to work there as a dancer. BMX is right, stay out of our hair, help us when we encounter bad grabby custies. Basically have our backs without being too overbearing..

    Also good point from BMX. Remember ClubSin: the dancers are independent contractors, not employees like your bartender, bouncers, or waitresses.

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    So in a management position how do you approach the girls that sit on there asses all night instead of bring sociable. From a customer standpoint I have been out to other clubs more times than I can count where theier is always a couple girls that you can tell dont want to be there and they just sit there pissed off like. And in my experience they are generally the ones you want to get a dance with. I dont want to be hard ass by any means but whats the correct way to deal with this

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    Also, a lot of managers tend to be controlling, and a lot of clubs don't understand positive reinforcement.

    if you want hotter girls on teh dayshift, telling a nightshift girl she's fired unless she does dayshift, or that she's fat and too ugly for the nightshift are NOT the ways to do it. Sadly, I know multiple managers who pull that shit to MULTIPLE dancers. Why not offer a shift bonus, or free meal, or some other reward that makes a dayshift APPEALING?! There WILL be girls who would take it, particularly a shift bonus that makes it easier for them to break even while you build up your daytime clientelle. No one likes working for free. And if you're going on THAT rude of an offensive, its because you BOTH know thats what you're asking her to do.

    Not to mention a lot of managers who get their own "god" complex...and forget their manners in teh meantime. If there's a violation of the rules, just expain WHAT is being violated, and WHY. Don't single girls out(unless its a repeat offense, or something REALLY extreme, a la extra's) DONT summon all the girls bak to the dressing room, start screaming at them to "stop acting like WHORES on the floor or i won't let any of you leave the dressing room" because you felt that a couple of girls dancing with each other on the floor is unaceptable. Just say "Prostitution laws say you can't touch each other in any of these places on the floor, if i have to tell you again, you WILL be fined, any more problems and you'll be sent home for the night"

    You'll never be able to please ALL your dancers, but giving her the benefit of the doubt/having her back with unruly custy's will help, as will extending basic courtesy regarding scheduling, problems with her performance.

    Sadly, I don't think that most managers in the SC just enjoy being God, in the club, and without definitions of "employer/employee" will try to take EVERYTHING they can from teh dancers.

    THis is why so many of us don't like management.

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    I'd just say "Listen, you aren't making money by sitting here looking cranky. I bet once you get a few dances, you'll feel a lot better. Why don't you go see if there's any takers?" But be prepared to send them home if their attitude IS becoming a huge problem. Either way, be nice, relate it to her as best you can. Don';t be like "Yo. Your angry-face is scaring the customers. If i don't see you smiling and socializing in five minutes than your fired"



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    So in a management position how do you approach the girls that sit on there asses all night instead of bring sociable. From a customer standpoint I have been out to other clubs more times than I can count where theier is always a couple girls that you can tell dont want to be there and they just sit there pissed off like. And in my experience they are generally the ones you want to get a dance with. I dont want to be hard ass by any means but whats the correct way to deal with this

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    The vast majority of strip club managers are short-sighted imbiciles who have no experience with what makes us money and think they can make more money off us by acting like pimps. When you start running a club this way, you wind up with stupid girls with low self-esteem (who don't know how to make good money) because the successful, self-respecting dancers will leave. This perpetuates the cycle.

    Do not treat the dancers like children. Do not bully us or interfere with our work in any way, so long as we are obeying the law. If I'm having a bad night and I want to sit on my ass and sulk instead of hustling harder, that's my own damn business and not yours. You aren't paying me, so you don't get the right to tell me how to work.

    Remember, dancers are NOT employees if you're not paying them. As long as you are charging us a house fee, YOU work for US, so show the appropriate amount of respect and leave us the fuck alone until we ask for you. Back us up when necessary, and be friendly (that does NOT mean sexual). Don't try to pick us up or manipulate us into sexual favors.

    And please, please, PLEASE do not impose "fines," or demand tips you haven't earned, or belittle us in any way. This will not make you money in the long term. Just treat the dancers with respect and appreciation, leave us alone unless we ask for your involvement, and back us up when needed. Oh, and advertise copiously. That's all you have to do to have a club full of happy dancers.

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    You have to understand too, that especially if it is slow, and we have asked everybody for a dance, exhausted all our possibilities.....sometimes it is best if we sit it out and wait. Some may look cranky, but they are probably thinking about their kids, bills, etc.....and this problem will always exist. I have been dancing for four years and have seen it at every club I have ever worked at. It is a fact of life. My best suggestion would be to tell the girls as they are hired that this is not a place to sit around, if you are not busy, to go in the back and take a break. It better be accommodating in the back though, and I have never worked at a place that was.

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    Maybe it's all the rhetorical questions owners ask???

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    It depends on the dancer, to keep me happy I only ask a couple of things.
    * Respect me, do not call me names, do not tell to get out on the floor, do not threaten me, do not harrass me...do NOT talk shit about me to other ppl because I will find out.

    * Be sensitve, sometimes I get sick, afterall I am human

    * Do not let girls fight with one another, or drink, or get high....

    * Be fair

    * Be responsible....

    Yes some girls are bitches, yes they have to deal with shit...but thats kind of what being a manager is about you have to deal with people, I mean it is a job afterall.
    As for how much they get paid, hmm well at my club the managers are making some money on top of thier salaries they get tipped by all the girls...so IMO they have no room to bitch, you took the job accept the responsiblitys that go along with it. Plus most managers are egotisical bastards, on a serious power trip....

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    I think they become assholes because they think the dancers are spoiled brats. They get paid $10 an hour to deal with a hell of a lot of bullshit. For every dependable, non-drunk, non-dramatic dancer there seem to be 10 who are a mess. I can't imagine why a guy would want to manage a SC. It's a thankless job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by needtodance View Post
    I'd just say "Listen, you aren't making money by sitting here looking cranky. I bet once you get a few dances, you'll feel a lot better. Why don't you go see if there's any takers?" But be prepared to send them home if their attitude IS becoming a huge problem. Either way, be nice, relate it to her as best you can. Don';t be like "Yo. Your angry-face is scaring the customers. If i don't see you smiling and socializing in five minutes than your fired"
    and be POSITIVE! i have one manager who constantly tells me "you're going to have a good night tonight. i can tell." and honestly, i have better nights then. but don't nag, either. i dont really know how to explain it, because it's so different person to person. i had a manager at one club i worked at that was so dead set on me making money. i know that was a good thing, he wanted me to do well so i'd stay. but he didnt leave my side if he saw me alone. "go try this guy. go talk to him." and that was ANNOYING.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLUBSIN View Post
    So in a management position how do you approach the girls that sit on there asses all night instead of bring sociable. From a customer standpoint I have been out to other clubs more times than I can count where theier is always a couple girls that you can tell dont want to be there and they just sit there pissed off like. And in my experience they are generally the ones you want to get a dance with. I dont want to be hard ass by any means but whats the correct way to deal with this
    Needtodance had a great response to this. IMO, if they're sitting on their ass and not making money, they're not making the club money. (customers noticing and leaving for example.) Personally, I don't mind those girls, more $$ for me but if I were a club owner I wouldn't have them taking up space when there are others dancers that can make themselves and the club $$.

    One thing that makes management assholes: outrageous fines! If you make the girls put in a set schedule, I can understand a late fee (I would suggest the cost of a LD) but I've worked at some clubs that would just make up shit to fine the girls and fine them ridiculous amounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan-Va View Post

    One thing that makes management assholes: outrageous fines! If you make the girls put in a set schedule, I can understand a late fee (I would suggest the cost of a LD) but I've worked at some clubs that would just make up shit to fine the girls and fine them ridiculous amounts.

    Yah I have heard that, and I suppose there is place and time for everything. But fining your dancers that you want there making you money seems backwards. I could maybe see that in major cities with large pool of dancers to pull from, but where Im at, Im afraid if something like that ever happened I wouldnt have any dancers.

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    Where I am at now the managers are cool, but I have met very, very few cool owners or managers. CrazyBob who posts here occasionally seems like he'd be a great guy to work for, he owns/runs a club in Missouri.

    I think a large part of the problem is that these guys are forced to be hardasses with certain types of extremely unprofessional women. But their latent misogyny and dearth of functioning brain cells means they start treating everyone in this fashion. Then they start to like it, and the vicious cycle begins.

    The business seems to draw a high proportion of men with very low mental capacity and self-esteem. Guys like this love to act like assholes to (over) compensate.

    One manager I worked with was one of the most brutal men I have ever met, or heard of--no exaggeration. One night he was trying to punch his girlfriend, right out in the open in the club, and wound up hitting the dancer standing right behind her in the eye, blackening it severely. Thank god I missed that, it was after I left the first time.

    He used to hold the dressing room door closed and watch them beat the living shit out of each other, he got off on it.
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    My new manager/owner is great. He recently bought the club a few months ago. He fired the old manager for being a coke head and buying drugs from customers. This dude was such a jerk and would have meetings at the end of the night when he would call all the girls a bunch of "worthless bitches" and if you would speak up to him he would fire you.

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    My short advice is this, if you want girls to approach customers on demand, pay them an hourly wage. You want employee behavior then hire and pay employees. You don't have to go with the current business model. When hot chicks are just sitting it's because the men don't want dances yet. You don't know it but you have plenty of looky-loos and dudes who pride themselves on watching and talking for the cover charge. Check out the threads in Customer Conversation and Strip Club Junkie if you don't believe a man would do that.
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    For me, disliking management is based on the fact that I am lumped in a group with all of the drugged-out, alcoholic, irresponsible dancers. So, I am treated like a child.
    I think that if all dancers were held to the same (higher) standards, you'd have a more smoothly running business. Girls that don't deserve it get special treatment, and they don't deserve it. Constantly late? Leaving early? Looking terrible? Causing drama? LET THEM GO! In almost any other profession, they'd be fired. Keeping them on causes more drama.

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    Hearts is correct--and some of these guys secretly like it.

    It constantly validates their need to feel superior, to hire and retain unprofessional women. Then they can yell at them, fine them, and coerce them all they want, meanwhile justifying their autocratic, manipulative ways by claiming it's necessary.

    The guy I described above liked to say "They're animals. Wild animals..."

    Sometimes he was correct, too. But he was the guy who hired them, kept them on, beat them up, etc.
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    1. Don't try to sleep with the dancers.
    2. Don't do cocaine, or any other drugs.
    3. Don't hire dancers who do drugs.
    4. Fire the drama girls, no one wants a fight at work everynight.
    5. Don't ever tell the dancers "Nobody leaves this dressing room until - it is cleaned up, I found out who did this, etc." It is illegal to keep us there by locking us in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasmine View Post
    1. Don't try to sleep with the dancers.
    2. Don't do cocaine, or any other drugs.
    3. Don't hire dancers who do drugs.
    4. Fire the drama girls, no one wants a fight at work everynight.
    5. Don't ever tell the dancers "Nobody leaves this dressing room until - it is cleaned up, I found out who did this, etc." It is illegal to keep us there by locking us in.
    100% agree. Especially the don't try to sleep with the dancers part. 99% of the time that never ends well.

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    Just fire the lazy bitches who sit around and don't work. Most clubs are waaaaayyy overloaded with girls and could stand to lose some of the excess. Customers are happier and spend more money when there are enough girls but NOT TOO MANY so everyone does better, including the club. Happy girls = happy customers.

    Most clubowners and managers are just fucking idiots with poor self esteem and ego problems, and THAT'S why they're assholes - stupid people with ego problems always overcompensate by being assholes. They don't become assholes - they just are by nature. It's the type of guy who is drawn to that type of work - another way they try to compensate for their lack of self-confidence: by trying to be pimps

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    Well ladies you have answered a ton of questions for me so far so I do appreciate it. I would far from consider my self a pimp nor do I have any desire to sleep with any of the dancers, as I am very happily married and have two little boys. This is simply business. As was said in one post that most clubs have to many girls, what is the right amount of girls to have on. We are roughly 6500 sq ft with a stage with two poles, four vip rooms and multiple couches My thoughts were 10-12 but i could very well be wrong. My next question is How many other Clubs let the dancers drink. We were leaning towards not letting them, but I am curious. Thanks again for the responses.

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    Base the number of dancers you have on per shift on the no. of patrons you attract thru your doors each night... not just the size of the club and all that information you listed which shouldn't even really matter when thinking about how many min. and max. you need per night.

    We only care about what we leave with in our pockets at the end of the shift. Thus provide us all with at least (the bare minimum) two patrons for every one dancer. Make sure the "ball" is in our court the majority of the time.

    Also, STICK TO YOUR MAXIMUM! Do not become greedy. If the club has to rely on the fees that the dancers pay to help stay afloat (in profit) then the club seriously needs to look at itself.

    As for the drinking, here in Australia all the strip clubs are licensed. 18 is legal age for drinking and entry into strip clubs so the dancers are allowed to drink. The best thing to do (and from my experience works best) is to allow us to have all soft drinks and water for free and charge us full price for any alcoholic beverages.

    Just try to keep on top of the girls and treat them just like any other intoxicated patron. Cut them off at the bar as well as "encourage" them to go home early since it can make the place seem badly run if there are obviously intoxicated dancers working.

    You can't stop us drinking as it is kinda part of the business.
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