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    NOTHING.

    Contact-wise, I'm very tame. I don't grind. I don't allow anyone touching me. The dance you get on the floor is almost the same as the one you get in the VIP. The VIP is more comfortable and more private, where we can be away from all this chaos, blah, blah, blah.

    Any tips with wording my answer to this question? I don't lead customers to believe that I'm going to allow more contact, but the dances are better in the back and it is a better time with snuggling over champagne and my club soda.

    I do well selling VIPs. I'm just getting bored with my sales pitch. Hell, I'm getting bored with my hustle. Help?

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    If you can produce a very ironic, silly twinkle in your eye while pulling a serious face, then do it and say something like, "I could never describe the VIP in mere words. It must be experienced." Hold for a beat, then laugh. It's worked for me a couple of times. But I'm really silly.

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    You get to have me all for yourself without having all these people staring at us. It's more fun that way. (Or if he's of the type who gets their kicks from showing off, explain to him how jealous others will be when they see him walk into the VIP lounge with you.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrayStripper View Post
    NOTHING.

    Contact-wise, I'm very tame. I don't grind. I don't allow anyone touching me. The dance you get on the floor is almost the same as the one you get in the VIP. The VIP is more comfortable and more private, where we can be away from all this chaos, blah, blah, blah.

    I do well selling VIPs. I'm just getting bored with my sales pitch. Hell, I'm getting bored with my hustle. Help?
    Is it really working that well for you?? Why would you get bored with what works? That's like saying you're getting bored with making money. I am the SAME kind of girl... no grinding, and I don't let them touch. Pretty much everyone else at my club, will grind in VIP if they're not already grinding on the floor. And i've seen much worse in VIP rooms.

    I never promise anything they're not going to get back there. And it's actually hard to sell VIP's when they KNOW what they can get with other girls. They're just fishing to see if YOU are one of those girls. And the VIP rooms are ugly and uncomfortable at my club. I can't even use the point that they're nice plush, clean rooms. WTF.

    I always answer, "A hell of a good time. I give a damn good dance. And it's quieter back there, so we can actually hear each other speak. It's totally worth it. Let's go..." And it only seems to work if they were already hell bent on going anyway and closing the sale means putting the answer in their mouths and then following with body language.

    If what they will actually get for the money is the real point of contention, then there's no way I'm their kind of girl, and it's almost impossible to close the sale because they're expecting a real answer on the issue before they get out their wallets.

    I'd love some suggestions too, as I'm in a similar boat, as well as close to the OP geographically.
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    PG, I've been asking girls what they do to get guys to go to the VIP. I'm not much of a hustler. I kinda stand there and wait for someone to approach me. I could earn so much more if I were proactive.

    Body language - I've begun massaging knees and shoulders while talking.
    Offering VIPs in the middle of dances - It's the best time to catch them off guard.

    So, customers have been pretty receptive and interested ... until I bring up the price. You might have the same problem as I do. Table dances are $10. VIPs are $460/hour cash, $635/hour credit. If I were a customer, I'd want to know the difference between VIP and "out here." The price difference is huge.

    Guys have trouble seeing "the value" even if they aren't looking for more than what a girl is willing to give.

    Ladies, I need good sales pitches!

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    I have the same dilemma. How do I fluff up the idea of spending so much on a VIP room when in my opinion, it's basically just a long private lap dance? Or, at least I guess it's just a long lap dance. I've been dancing maybe two weeks and I've only done one champagne room. Maybe because I'm female I have trouble just seeing what the fun in getting a lap dance is period, let alone a really long one lol, I guess I have to remember that men are really into lap dances unlike us females and that a longer, private one would seem really enticing to a guy?

    I also wonder, how many men come into the club with that much money to spend? It seems most just have enough money for tipping and a few lap dances, not many men have the financial means to just go get VIP rooms? I really don't know. Is there something hustle-wise I'm definitely missing? Should I be figuring out ways to squeeze VIP rooms out of all men despite their financial standing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrayStripper View Post
    I'm not much of a hustler. I kinda stand there and wait for someone to approach me. I could earn so much more if I were proactive.
    Lol I'm the same. I sort of figure, if they really want it, they'll come to me. And a lot of guys have come to me and gotten dances from me because they say I'm the only one that hasn't pestered them for dances. (Although, if you so despise being approached for lap dances what the hell are you doing at a strip club...?) However I think this is also what attracts all of the psycho love-stricken customers to me, the ones who decide I'm "different" and now want me to have their baby. I think I need to be a little more stereotypically bubbly and social so I'll attract the kind of customer that just wants a momentary good time lol.

    One of the girls at my club told me that it took her a while to learn to never approach guys for lap dances, she said play hard to get and they'll like that and that if they really want you, they'll come to you. That's all good and true, but I know that the bouncy bubbly girls that approach just about every customer make tons more $$$ than I do, and my # 1 concern is $$$! Volume is key I guess lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinaida View Post
    I have the same dilemma. How do I fluff up the idea of spending so much on a VIP room when in my opinion, it's basically just a long private lap dance? Or, at least I guess it's just a long lap dance. I've been dancing maybe two weeks and I've only done one champagne room. Maybe because I'm female I have trouble just seeing what the fun in getting a lap dance is period, let alone a really long one lol, I guess I have to remember that men are really into lap dances unlike us females and that a longer, private one would seem really enticing to a guy?

    I also wonder, how many men come into the club with that much money to spend? It seems most just have enough money for tipping and a few lap dances, not many men have the financial means to just go get VIP rooms? I really don't know. Is there something hustle-wise I'm definitely missing? Should I be figuring out ways to squeeze VIP rooms out of all men despite their financial standing?
    I'm probably not the best person to answer this, since I'm not a great hustler (yet!), but I'll pass on what was explained to me.

    Long CRs/VIPs are often NOT one long lap dance. It's often a combo of dance, talking, drinking, flirting. Depends on the length of the CR. We have 15min/30min/60min increments. Guys who get the 15 tend to just be looking for a string of lds. Guys who get the hour are often looking for more convo. (not always, but often)Example:


    As for the money, well it depends on where you are, how the club is promoted, and the guy! But YES! One thing I've learned about guys is that they may cry poor, but do you see them NOT buying the new Xbox/car/Iphone? The jump from a $10 table dance to $4-600 IS a big one, but I'm hoping your club has something in between? A half hour?

    I'm still working on my hustle, but any of the threads on VIPs are more than worth reading.

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    A lot of girls, most of our girls, do the whole convo, flirtation, sitting-on-lap thing on the floor with the customers for free. They use all of that touchy-feely flirtation to try and get lap dances out of the guys. And now that I'm thinking of it, the more snobby-seeming (they're not really snobs, but they come off like that with the customers) girls that don't do all of that flirty stuff and walk around knowing how hot they are seem to be the ones that get the most VIPs. It makes sense to me now!

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    answer them with "aids".

    jk

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    What do I get in VIP?

    What do you want?

    I want laid.

    Yeah? I want a million dollars.

    We don't always get what we want, do we?

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    well, generally, what I've always said is something along the lines of "you get me up close and personal, boobs in front of your nose, and you get to touch and enjoy a naked girl for as long as you desire." What they don't get is that the "long as you desire" is more like "as long as you want to pay for dances" tells them what they get, implies they might get more (even if they don't) and gives them the illusion they all want that they can have us for as long as they want. we both know that's not the case, but it's nice to think that, ya know?
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    I dont know the time/money options at some of these clubs....

    I typically talk up the VIP then ask for a dance right there (regular $20) dance. I give them a great dance and bring up VIP again.... (ours is actually called the "Secrets Lounge")

    When they ask what goes on back there I reply with "I cant tell... Its a secret" cute smile. Then if they really want to know I play it up... its much more comfortable, quieter, we can relax theres more room and the dances are better. If they ask HOW theyre better I just kinda change the subject... its rare that they start asking for specifics and its much easier to rub a shoulder and purr into the ear - "cmon, lets go, promise youll leave happy"

    When they ask about the money rather than the dances... we have options. Cash is cheaper so I start with 30 min (we have 1 hr, 30 min and 15 min) - I NEVER mention the 15 min and it drives me nuts when me and another girl are working on 2 custys together and they bring it up... ugh...

    So I say well - a half hour is $350 BUT if you pay in cash its a lot less - only $275. I make it seem like theyre getting a deal.

    If they say thats too much THEN I bring up 15 minutes... I say Well, I never do 15 minutes but I like you and think well have a great time. 15 minutes is only $225 Cr and if you pay cash its only $175. Most of the time I can get em.

    Then once were back there Ill jokingly tell the host we want 30 min and the guy will say no no - 15 and the host takes over. See... 15 min is $175 but for only another $100 you can double your time.. and i purr "15 min goes by so fast and I want us to have a good time together. I think you should go with 30 min. Youll really enjoy it."

    I have NEVER done a 15 minute VIP alone. Only when its 2 girls (because then its double the price!) It helps if the host helps to upsale the lowball sale you did just to walk them back there.

    Ugh... that was a long reply... hope it all made sense...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AudreyLeigh View Post
    ^^^^ please... i am not going to waste 20 minutes going down a list of yes and no to sell a dance...
    Yeah, being that technical kind of kills it IMO. A lot of guys want the flirtiness and the fun, not clinical cut-and-dry stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by AudreyLeigh View Post
    what do i get? what do i get? do i get to finger you? c'mon... its not worth the money... yuck... i can picture it now and it makes my stomach turn.
    Yeah, it's always been my experience that the ones who badger you with questions about the rules and technicalities are the ones who want innappropriately way more for their dollar. I always tell those guys that I'm sure there are some girls out on the corner that will give them what they're looking for. And then they get offended! Lmao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolagetz View Post
    Maybe I'm a huge bitch, but whenever a guy comes on here talking about how he regularly gets extras in a club, I just want to scream, "HAHAHA You loser, you have to PAY women to have sex with you! You must be so GROSS and SOCIALLY RETARDED that you can't even get an acne-ridden fat chick at a bar! Hahahaha.... hah.. hah."

    Alright, that's all I had to say


    If a guy is asking for specifics, he has no idea how to have fun or he's looking for sex acts.

    When I asked how to respond to "What do I get back there?", I want little cutesy stripper answers, like the ones you ladies are sharing. Because we all know THE SALE DEPENDS ON EMOTION, NOT LOGIC. Customers spend because they can't resist our sexy. It makes no fiscal sense to do so, but they empty their wallets anyway. Once we bring up details before we get our money, we are dead in the water. Keep out logic at all costs. Preserve the fantasy.

    When a customer says, "What do I get back there?", he's really saying, "I'm interested, I want to go, Give me a reason, no matter how lame, but whatever you do, don't let me think logically."

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    I classify guys who ask this question into two groups, both sending important signals.

    Custies in Group A (like Book Guy) ask what they're going to get because they really want to know the exact physical acts that will occur. They are letting you know they want more than you're probably willing to give. This is your cue to tell them they're in the wrong kind of club.

    However, custies in Group B are asking you to build more rapport with them. Sometimes it's too lengthy a process to be a good time investment, but often it can be achieved with a few phrases. Rapport can involve two elements:

    1. They want you to verbally build anticipation of what the dance with you is going to be like. They want to believe they're headed for an awesome time, and hearing you repeat it (one, two or five times) heightens their experience. They *want* to believe in the fantasy, so help them out with your words. After all, you *are* at work.

    2. They want to know that you truly want to dance for them, that you're invested in having a good time with them. They want to be convinced that you're not a girl who will just look bored and move like a zombie. They need sustained evidence that you're gonna act pleased to be with them. (This is different from a custie wanting you to beg for the dance, which is obviously also a no-go.)

    Custies in Group B often unknowingly use the vocabulary of Group A. They're just clueless guys who don't put too much thought into what they're asking. Why would they? They're out for fun. We get paid to interpret and investigate, and deliver.

    Too often, I've taken this question as a sign to walk away from the guy who asks it. But, it's often worth the price of more than one dance to invest 90 seconds in fulfilling #1 and #2, and then asking the dance question again.
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    I cleaned it up. Sorry for deleting some of the awesome replies to him, but they had to go for continuity. Remember to use the report button, people, k?



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    I do one of those humourous sales pitches. "Well for the low low price of $199.99 plus one cent tax per half hour you can get a large velvet couch to YOURSELF with a sexy naked woman gyrating on. Only available in eighteen states, this product comes with one free drink and is good for an hour of shimmies! Buy now or it won't last!!"


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    I think its good to whisper in his ear like its a secret and answer with something cute coquettish or hot - whatever fits. However some customers don't seem satisfied with vague answers and ask repeatedly. These are the ones that want a guarantee of something extra and at this point I think its best to cut your losses and move on. Sweet-talking them probably wont work and if it does you'll be stuck dealing with him when you already knew he'd be a pain. I think you should be sweet and in character until the point his intentions are obvious and you are ready to walk; then say something that catches him off guard. Be stern and seem offended like "This isn't a whorehouse!" A nicer guy will be a little embarrassed and apologetic and might work out. But if he's a super scumbag he will let you know he is. I don't believe in burning bridges but I wish all girls called out the most offensive customers and embarrassed them. I don't think any "good" dancers would miss them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysondra View Post
    I do one of those humourous sales pitches. "Well for the low low price of $199.99 plus one cent tax per half hour you can get a large velvet couch to YOURSELF with a sexy naked woman gyrating on. Only available in eighteen states, this product comes with one free drink and is good for an hour of shimmies! Buy now or it won't last!!"
    OMFG! I just laughed soo hard when I read this, but in a way you're right. This goes off of what some have mentioned earlier about how the emotions involved in the sale are usually what make or break the deal. Personally, if I was a custie and you told me that, I'd go for it, not only because of the way you said it, but the interesting way you brought across what you wanted and how much it cost.
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    I love Lysondra's answer! I say silly cute stuff like that too.
    "What do I get back there?"
    "Well, I'll go put a big ole ribbon around my waist if that'll clear it up for you, but I thought it was sort of obvious! *insert a wave* Hi there, yoo hoo! Let's go play!"

    "What do we get to do back there?"
    "Gosh, I left my scrabble board at home, so I guess we'll have to come up with something more creative! C'mon, let's go play!" *wink and smirk*


    The hardest one for me:
    "What's so different about back there? What happens there that won't happen here?" At my club we can't drink on the main floor, so I use that a bit.
    I lean over like I'm telling a secret, and make eye contact with some other guy near us, any guy will do, then wink at that other guy. Whisper into custy's ear "Well first of all, the guy who's been watching you all this time will leave us alone, second I'll get to share a drink with you, and third we'll have a great big couch all to ourselves! So that's you and me alone drinking and dancing on a great big couch. Sounds yummy! Let's go play!"

    But usually the guys who ask this last question are really hard to sell to, and take more work, more talking it up. If they are too hard to sell then I do the "Well, you mull it over, I think it would be a lot of fun to have you all to myself back there, when you're ready to have some serious fun you let me know!" I take off and go flirt with the guy I winked at who's close by, but I make sure I go back and check pretty quickly after that.




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    I tell people now that my dances have mystical healing properties. Customers think I'm a little off, but it usually shuts the door on getting into a debate about how dirty my dances are.

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    ^LOL I do that too!



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    Quote Originally Posted by ExoticEngineer View Post
    "What do we get to do back there?"
    "Gosh, I left my scrabble board at home, so I guess we'll have to come up with something more creative! C'mon, let's go play!" *wink and smirk*
    fuck me... that's the new line. I'm just gonna tweak it a little... *gosh, I left my scrabble board at home, so I'm not quite able to spell it out for ya. You're just gonna have to see for yourself.*

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    Sure thing!




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