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    I think it's really interesting that before dancing, I would consider $75 dollars for a hard shift of bartending an amazing amount of money.

    Now, I really have to watch myself when Im like "I ONLY made 200 tonight. " Tax free. That's more than some make in a WEEK.

    On the downside, when we have this much cash going thru our hands, it becomes hard to realize when something is OVER priced, or when you tip a rediculous amt. and people think you are trying to impress/buy them...or when we spend stupid amts. of money being thrown BACK into the business...etc. I think we need to be cautious not only how we handle/spend our money, but even be more careful of how we think about money, and the implications that go along with our thoughts....

    Ok, just my random .10
    I'd grab my trumpet and I'd do a stripper sound, like the old Louis Armstrong, real raspy. And the people would go nuts! Then I knew that the sexual, sensual, guttural sound, that throbbing sound, is where it's at.

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    God, I wish I could make money tax free
    I believe you Dottie and you have my support

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    Quote Originally Posted by sxybrat07 View Post
    God, I wish I could make money tax free
    I know seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by absolutbliss View Post
    I think it's really interesting that before dancing, I would consider $75 dollars for a hard shift of bartending an amazing amount of money.

    Now, I really have to watch myself when Im like "I ONLY made 200 tonight. " Tax free. That's more than some make in a WEEK.

    On the downside, when we have this much cash going thru our hands, it becomes hard to realize when something is OVER priced, or when you tip a rediculous amt. and people think you are trying to impress/buy them...or when we spend stupid amts. of money being thrown BACK into the business...etc. I think we need to be cautious not only how we handle/spend our money, but even be more careful of how we think about money, and the implications that go along with our thoughts....

    Ok, just my random .10
    just to add to the 'tax-free, wtf?!' brigade-- if you are not paying your taxes, i trust you are only making like a few k per year or something that is easily hideable, because you cannot buy a house or anything with no proof of income, especially not in these newly credit-tight days.

    as for the rest, you know, i never felt that way about it. some get to keep their clothes on and make waaaaay more than what the bulk of strippers average (100-300 per shift or 300-500 per shift, depending on which 'average earnings' threads you want to dig up). i always felt that whatever i made could always have been more. i didn't care that someone out there made less-- if i only had 200 for a shift, i was doing the hourly breakdown in my head and sighing that i hadn't even outearned the lower-end consultants i knew (unless i was only there for 4 hours or less).

    maybe i hung out with the wrong people, but none of my friends were ever impressed with stripper-earnings. and they were certainly not rich (mostly), but mostly working in fields that paid as well or better for the most part.

    after the costumes, the makeup, the waxing/shaving, etc, etc, i find it goofy to even be concerned that you are making too much somehow. you are barely making enough, the way stripping's income potential is dropping these days. i certainly had no trouble avoiding 'stripper-tax' (overpricing) on my outfits.

    waiters and bartenders tend to splooge cash when going out, and i knew more than a couple of those (who would have wept and cursed at a shift that only yielded 75 bucks), so i guess this is one of those posts where i just am like 'eh, save yur munnys, pay taxes, and then maybe it won't seem like soooo much that immediately has to be spent on frippery'.

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    i agree with the part about it being easier to spend big chunks of money now. i do see money differently now than i used to. but yeah, when i really think about how much i make.. it isnt all that different than lots of jobs.

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    Hoppin on the tax free bandwagon...

    When I was 19... I discovered that all the wonderful "tax free" cash was only "tax free" until the IRS wanted to know how I afforded my car, my apartment, and my belongings on...... nothing. Learned that lesson early...
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    i agree with the 3rd paragraph of the OP. i tend to tip rediculous amounts when i go out to eat, to the point that all my partners friends that don't know what i do for a living get shocked and horrified. The amount of money that i set apart for shopping for each week after setting apart my savings is as much as i expected to live off of for at least a month back before i danced. So it is important to keep stuff in perspective.

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    How is it tax free? Just because you earn cash doesn't mean you aren't responisible for taxes.

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    My sis is the same w/ tipping big amounts cause she's a hairstylist & depends on tips as part of her income. I have to be like "Yeah "$10 isn't a small for them to get the picture that the service sucked on our $25 dinner".

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    I'm very glad I posted this (random) thought of mine. I think that this has "struck up" a lot of very intruging conversation.

    "Tax Free" seems to be a major topic stemming out from my post. It seems that the majority (?) of people here either file 1099's or get served a w2? I'm not sure, and quite frankly, the way people manage their money is none of my business. However, this is a forum, and conversation/suggestions/critisism are all things that help this community.
    As far as buying a house, it is not only possible, but strikingly common, for people to purchase homes without "proof of income." You can do that here in my state; there is an option to not declare what you make when you are in the process of purchasing a home.

    Bartenders, waitresses, babysitters, handymen, etc. also need to be held to the same scruteny as I do then, assuming they "fudge" taxes as much or more than many of us do....
    I'd grab my trumpet and I'd do a stripper sound, like the old Louis Armstrong, real raspy. And the people would go nuts! Then I knew that the sexual, sensual, guttural sound, that throbbing sound, is where it's at.

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    And where in my post did I say that I claim no responsibility for my taxes?!!!
    I'd grab my trumpet and I'd do a stripper sound, like the old Louis Armstrong, real raspy. And the people would go nuts! Then I knew that the sexual, sensual, guttural sound, that throbbing sound, is where it's at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by absolutbliss View Post
    Now, I really have to watch myself when Im like "I ONLY made 200 tonight. " Tax free. That's more than some make in a WEEK.
    right there.

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    And the claiming no responsibility part is....where? I just admited TAX FREE. Where did I post that I deny responsibility for my knowledge of that?
    I'd grab my trumpet and I'd do a stripper sound, like the old Louis Armstrong, real raspy. And the people would go nuts! Then I knew that the sexual, sensual, guttural sound, that throbbing sound, is where it's at.

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    ^well since that sentence didnt make much sense, i can't answer you.

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    Any 'legitimate/honest/"stand up"' business would never knowlingly let all of their employees work tax free....
    I'd grab my trumpet and I'd do a stripper sound, like the old Louis Armstrong, real raspy. And the people would go nuts! Then I knew that the sexual, sensual, guttural sound, that throbbing sound, is where it's at.

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    hehl, sorry I'm woofing down food and my typing and thinking is turning to shit...my post was kind of all over the place, I think I was trying to address too many things in too little time..
    I'd grab my trumpet and I'd do a stripper sound, like the old Louis Armstrong, real raspy. And the people would go nuts! Then I knew that the sexual, sensual, guttural sound, that throbbing sound, is where it's at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by absolutbliss View Post
    Any 'legitimate/honest/"stand up"' business would never knowlingly let all of their employees work tax free....


    what club enforces girls paying taxes? none that ive heard of. theres a reason youre an indep. contractor. you are NOT an employee so its your problem to pay taxes, not the club's.

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    I'm not an Indep. contractor if the company doesn't file a 1099 on me, which they don't. (or on anyone who works there.) They aren't filing ANY paperwork on us.
    I'd grab my trumpet and I'd do a stripper sound, like the old Louis Armstrong, real raspy. And the people would go nuts! Then I knew that the sexual, sensual, guttural sound, that throbbing sound, is where it's at.

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    ^ so HOW did you figure that makes you an employee?

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    When she said "tax free" I think she was just pointing out that it's easier for some girls to not pay taxes (we all know a lot of girls we work with do this) or even fudge a bit on our income. Aside from that, I agree with the initial point of this thread... A week ago, I was at a club with my bf and they were pouring crappy drinks. So, I ordered a double vodka soda with Kettle One to ensure that I got something worthwhile that I could carry around with me... Plus the tip, it was $15. Now, I'm not saying that's a cheap drink... but I wanted it and $15 seems like petty change... My bf was horrified.
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    as he should be, since attractive women are never supposed to pay full price in a bar for their drinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by absolutbliss View Post
    I'm very glad I posted this (random) thought of mine. I think that this has "struck up" a lot of very intruging conversation.

    "Tax Free" seems to be a major topic stemming out from my post. It seems that the majority (?) of people here either file 1099's or get served a w2? I'm not sure, and quite frankly, the way people manage their money is none of my business. However, this is a forum, and conversation/suggestions/critisism are all things that help this community.
    As far as buying a house, it is not only possible, but strikingly common, for people to purchase homes without "proof of income." You can do that here in my state; there is an option to not declare what you make when you are in the process of purchasing a home.

    Bartenders, waitresses, babysitters, handymen, etc. also need to be held to the same scruteny as I do then, assuming they "fudge" taxes as much or more than many of us do....
    it is a lot harder now that ARM mortgages are not being handed out like candy. i mean, there are still people who buy houses with bagfuls of cash. that doesn't mean it's either common/easy or a good idea.

    i don't agree with you about perception simply because as i posted, my circle of friends was not impressed with stripper-level earnings. it was considered charming/amusing that i made my money that way, but since they were at a similar or better income level, it wasn't shocking/surprising if i tipped generously.

    i think that difference would make for an interesting discussion-- comparing and contrasting the experiences of strippers whose friends/SOs typically make much less and strippers whose friends/SOs typically make the same or more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella View Post
    as he should be, since attractive women are never supposed to pay full price in a bar for their drinks.
    Aw He bought me my first one and we were both like... wtf is this?! In the end, I think I saved money.

    I definately agree with you about friends incomes, Miabella. It makes a huge difference.
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    Well, before I started stripping I had less than half the money of a "good night" to be used for the entire month. Yea yea, was a student and all. I think my perception of money has definitely changed, and maybe on some level distorted considering my income level and my standard of living. I know I can't keep spending money the way I do right now. So I make plans and small adjustments, saving money, going to hire an accountant next year... I don't want to be one of those girls who made all of their money "tax free," spent it on shoes and then one day realized they're too old for the business and have spent 10+ years of their lives in strip clubs with nothing to show for it.
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    I believe lots of men have the flip side of the coin when it comes to the "white knight" fantasy. They'd LOVE to be a white knight. But they usually don't really have it in them.

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    Absolutbliss, I completely agree with what you said: it's VERY hard to keep things in perspective when you're making $300 or even more per shift (all depending on where you work, of course). Making that kind of money in one day tends to cloud your judgemet when it comes to big impulsive purchases (coach purse, anyone? I know we've all been there). I think we could all learn something useful from this post, and that is: delayed gratification --> a concept that most dancers seem not to understand, but desperately need to learn.

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