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    Default Porsche squished into a cube....

    This made me want to cry. Apparently it was done just for the sake of art, at least according to some dude who speaks German and posted a comment.

    http://www.motorauthority.com/news/v...shed-to-a-cube


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    Wasteful and arrogant.

    This is the kind of display that no one thinks is art except for a certain subset of "artists" who exist to jerk each other off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badpixie View Post
    Wasteful and arrogant.

    This is the kind of display that no one thinks is art except for a certain subset of "artists" who exist to jerk each other off.
    actually... I kind of like it. The idea of a status symbol car is wasteful and arrogant in itself, the art installation is showing that it's just metal and plastic and easily reduced to just that.

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    Default Re: Porsche squished into a cube....

    An artist had the money to do that?

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    Default Re: Porsche squished into a cube....

    ^^ that's what i was thinking, hat!

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    Link is broken

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    Reductionism as art is a "hit-or-miss" premise...

    Hit: One perceives the crushing of an expensive, high performance automobile as a repudiation of bourgeoisie values.

    Miss: One perceives the crushing of an expensive, high performance automobile as the destruction of a mechanical masterpiece.

    To me, it seemed like an extravagant sneer at the boutique lifestyle, kind of a "The Devil Drives Porsche" dig...

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    Default Re: Porsche squished into a cube....

    Quote Originally Posted by badpixie View Post
    Wasteful and arrogant.

    This is the kind of display that no one thinks is art except for a certain subset of "artists" who exist to jerk each other off.

    ROFL so true

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    There is art in anything,

    And though I like the idea this artist, I think, is trying to get across, IMHO I'm not impressed with how.

    #1 You get a FEW closeup shots of that vehicle as he moves it between locations. It's in shitty condition. Especially cause you could HEAR IT pull in and shut off. This Porsche was in distress. Probably ran over something that resulted in a lot of under body damage.

    One of the biggest things about these kinds of luxury cars is that their resale is A WORLD APART from their brand new price. A Porsche 911 (This one had a display unit inside, based on what it could do? this tells me this wasn't the 150k porsche) this was probably a 40-60k 911 which means that IF THEY REPAIRED IT, and tried to sell it, anyone who could afford a 40k-60k vehicle probably wouldn't touch it, and they'd have to sell it for 10 - 15k because anyone who wants to buy higher than 15k can get a nice NEW car...I could go on, but even luxury dealerships will tell you, they scrap some cars simply because they don't want a beatup Porsche or Lexus on the lot when they want to convince you to buy new or they don't want your business.

    So don't be shocked about that car, as is, most of us could have bought it. Which brings me too the ART.

    I like the idea of crushing a very VERY transparent status symbol. "Yay, you just crushed something that will outlive you and only state that you like nice cars and have money to spend" Whereas to an actual consumer/owner of one, the vehicle could have tons of personal meaning. Thusly playing on the mentality of "Well he can afford a 911...must be nice"

    And finally, why is it Art? I'm not questing the Artist, but why does HE think this transcends what happens to a fiesta daily in that place? Why does a pedestal and a crowd make it Art? What was the artist trying to convey? This looks like research to me. If I wanted to know what high-end vehicle crushes like, I'd buy a rundown Porsche 911, take it to the ol junkyard and pay them to crush it for me. I am curious as to why the artist thinks what he did is unique, or maybe he doesn't want it to be, but I would love to know what he wanted to convey...maybe just crazy art fans posting about it on a BB
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mastridonicus View Post
    There is art in anything,

    And though I like the idea this artist, I think, is trying to get across, IMHO I'm not impressed with how.

    #1 You get a FEW closeup shots of that vehicle as he moves it between locations. It's in shitty condition. Especially cause you could HEAR IT pull in and shut off. This Porsche was in distress. Probably ran over something that resulted in a lot of under body damage.

    One of the biggest things about these kinds of luxury cars is that their resale is A WORLD APART from their brand new price. A Porsche 911 (This one had a display unit inside, based on what it could do? this tells me this wasn't the 150k porsche) this was probably a 40-60k 911 which means that IF THEY REPAIRED IT, and tried to sell it, anyone who could afford a 40k-60k vehicle probably wouldn't touch it, and they'd have to sell it for 10 - 15k because anyone who wants to buy higher than 15k can get a nice NEW car...I could go on, but even luxury dealerships will tell you, they scrap some cars simply because they don't want a beatup Porsche or Lexus on the lot when they want to convince you to buy new or they don't want your business.

    So don't be shocked about that car, as is, most of us could have bought it. Which brings me too the ART.

    I like the idea of crushing a very VERY transparent status symbol. "Yay, you just crushed something that will outlive you and only state that you like nice cars and have money to spend" Whereas to an actual consumer/owner of one, the vehicle could have tons of personal meaning. Thusly playing on the mentality of "Well he can afford a 911...must be nice"

    And finally, why is it Art? I'm not questing the Artist, but why does HE think this transcends what happens to a fiesta daily in that place? Why does a pedestal and a crowd make it Art? What was the artist trying to convey? This looks like research to me. If I wanted to know what high-end vehicle crushes like, I'd buy a rundown Porsche 911, take it to the ol junkyard and pay them to crush it for me. I am curious as to why the artist thinks what he did is unique, or maybe he doesn't want it to be, but I would love to know what he wanted to convey...maybe just crazy art fans posting about it on a BB
    While it's true that this particular Porsche looked to be in bad shape (engine obviously sounds shot and the paint is all messed up), Porsches still have excellent resale value. A slate grey Carrera 2S with nav system like the one in the video was $85,000+ new. They are still getting about $70k on the secondary market, and they are not difficult to sell. There is a huge market for certified pre-owned and used 911s. Actually, dealerships generally make more taking in and selling used cars compared to selling new cars.

    As for the "art" value of crushing a car, I don't get it at all. As a Porsche lover, it breaks my heart

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrenaline View Post
    While it's true that this particular Porsche looked to be in bad shape (engine obviously sounds shot and the paint is all messed up), Porsches still have excellent resale value. A slate grey Carrera 2S with nav system like the one in the video was $85,000+ new. They are still getting about $70k on the secondary market, and they are not difficult to sell. There is a huge market for certified pre-owned and used 911s. Actually, dealerships generally make more taking in and selling used cars compared to selling new cars.

    As for the "art" value of crushing a car, I don't get it at all. As a Porsche lover, it breaks my heart

    yeah, I'm a Porsche lover too. I wanted to cry. And they do have a high resale value. I know because I want one! People keep 911s for years. They are classic.

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    to add to Mast's comments, I believe what the artists is trying toget accorss is that in the end it is just platic and metal. It could have came from the same iron-ore that would have made a school-bus, and if the school bus was crushed would you have the same reaction, I suspect you wouldn't.

    Also, case in point, people are pointing out the value of the porche even though it may have some issues, etc. Thereforeyou are giving something value, and thus the artists is pointing out it is mearly plastic, glass, metal.

    I don't know about porsches, but, if the artist did this to say a Bentley then that in my opinion would have been arrogant, etc. As Bentley's are crafted, and are truely work of arts on their own as there are no machined pieces.

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    Here's a transcript of what the artist says. (I skipped the instruction by the mechanicans.)
    For me, it seems pretty trivial and not very subtle. Of course, this could be just a few lines from a longer interview and may not reflect his initital motivation.
    • Now the train drives away.
    • This "Erlking" now becomes the sculpure with the title compression.
    • With taking the car down it becomes somehow clear that time moves irreversibly in one direction.
    • Good!
    • This is of course a very unusual tool in sculpturing - or an unsual way to produce sculptures.
    • It's of course fascinating to produce a sculpture in such a short period of time - a sculpture that big, that complex, that strong, that loaded.
    • "The way of all earthly things" doesn't mean that something absolutely vanishes but that it reappears in another form or another function or another place - like here in "Kunsthaus Bregenz" [museum of art in Bregenz].
    • A car not only consists of such brittal materials as glass, metal [but] also of fluids: Oil, gasoline, coolant, windshield washer fluid.

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    Call me old fashioned but I like my art to require talent to do. Anyone could crush a car so to me, its not art.

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    The horror... I'm going to have nightmares about this tonight. Such a beautiful car destroyed for no reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ::maxwell:: View Post
    Here's a transcript of what the artist says. (I skipped the instruction by the mechanicans.)
    For me, it seems pretty trivial and not very subtle. Of course, this could be just a few lines from a longer interview and may not reflect his initital motivation.
    • Now the train drives away.
    • This "Erlking" now becomes the sculpure with the title compression.
    • With taking the car down it becomes somehow clear that time moves irreversibly in one direction.
    • Good!
    • This is of course a very unusual tool in sculpturing - or an unsual way to produce sculptures.
    • It's of course fascinating to produce a sculpture in such a short period of time - a sculpture that big, that complex, that strong, that loaded.
    • "The way of all earthly things" doesn't mean that something absolutely vanishes but that it reappears in another form or another function or another place - like here in "Kunsthaus Bregenz" [museum of art in Bregenz].
    • A car not only consists of such brittal materials as glass, metal [but] also of fluids: Oil, gasoline, coolant, windshield washer fluid.

    thanks for translating. Seems like they are trying to be deep and meaningful but to me it doesn't work. Each to his own I guess. Makes me think of those Sprockets skits they used to do on SNL.

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