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    Default I just watched Farenheit 9/11

    And it really disturbed me. Seeing this has made me almost vomit with disgust and absolute dispair for these people. What are your views of this?
    (please also, if this needs to be removed, or moved to a different topic {political poo} please do so, I tried to post, but it didn't work).

    I just want to know if any of you have seen it and what you have thought. I really don't feel well now, having seen this. Have any of you felt the same way?

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    Default Re: I just watched Farenheit 9/11

    The best part is when M.M. was on Capitol Hill interviewing that one congressman, and he asked him about his children going to fight in the war......"well they're married"
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    Default Re: I just watched Farenheit 9/11

    I haven't seen it, but I'm already so completely disgusted with the whole situation that I probably don't need too. It would just upset me more.

    That's the one thing about Moore's work that I think is a shame, it really preaches to the choir in a way. I would love it if someone could educate the nonbelievers and war-supporters a bit, I guess some subversive kind of thing. But I think it's good that he puts it out there.
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    Default Re: I just watched Farenheit 9/11

    I just can't believe that this isn't shown to the world. I mean, it's on TV right now and that's why I'm watching it. I think the next time I see a soldier in the club, I'm just gonna hug him and tell him to keep his mind safe.
    The worst for me was seeing the children, and the women praying, sobbing to God to save Iraq from America. SHE was asking for deliverance from us. That is something right there.

    Oh and when the marines were trying to recrute (sp?) just kids on the street, and asked one guy, "have you thought about becoming a marine?" The guy said, yeah, but now I have a wife and child. So the say "All the more to join!!" Like, yeah, I want my husband to leave me with a newborn with a known reality that he will probably die, or be close to it and be gone for so long. I would be devestated if that happened to me. Or the soldier who refused to go back and fight and kill people who "are not a threat to me or my country". That has major weight to it.

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    Default Re: I just watched Farenheit 9/11

    Well, hi, 2004! How've you been?

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    Default Re: I just watched Farenheit 9/11

    I know, I'm out dated!!! I've been good, takin a bit of a nap, what's new in 2007?

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    Default Re: I just watched Farenheit 9/11

    On the flip side, I am/was/? dating a guy in the Marine Corps, he was OIF, did 2 years there, finished his Marine Corps duties 2 years ago.....and he just got his papers stating that he has to serve another 18 month OIF stint. Yet, he is a republican, voted for Bush both times and would vote for him again if he could, EVEN THOUGH OIF has turned his life upside down in more ways than 1.

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but trust me ....I've heard several different schools of thought from people who have had nearly the same military experience. And no matter what your thoughts are, understand that Moore is extremely biased and propoganda-ish (like most documentaries).

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    Default Re: I just watched Farenheit 9/11

    Moore is trying to show his POV.

    He does really extensive research and dots his i's and t's. There's such thing as libel and there's a reason why he hasn't been sued.

    Go watch Sicko now, Habinairo. and why We Fight for good measure.

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    Default Re: I just watched Farenheit 9/11

    My friend's bro is a Marine, and he's a republican.

    That's fine with me- at least he walks the walk.

    I'm also pro-choice and pro-universal health care. Those things alone make me want to vomit every time I even hear Bush, much less see him.

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    Default Re: I just watched Farenheit 9/11

    I felt, the first time I saw F9/11, that it would be historic--it has helped make the documentary form something we see in theatres as opposed to on PBS; more importantly, it speaks to the truth--regardless which side of this you fall on--that there was a focused effort to use the 9/11 attack to pull the United States into a war with Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9/11. Nothing. I think that history will see this as a glaring thing and that, while Bush sees himself as a kind of Winston Churchill, staying the course and reforming the mideast for all time, the light of history will see him as a man who used trickery in a free society to push his own agenda. Atlantic magazine, in 2003 I believe, published excerpts taken from the terrorists' computers which made it clear that Bin Laden hoped, prayed, to get America bogged down in a war, and to weaken us that way. He was hoping it would be in Afghanistan: Bush gave him a gift with Iraq. I used to be in the military myself: I respect the military and the sacrifices made greatly. But I think George Washington would be furious that an honorable military is being used to further such shallow thinking.

    Eisenhower, in 1956, warned us about getting involved in the mideast in the way Bush has done. Eisenhower was right. And why is Bin Laden still broadcasting tapes? Why did we not take all of those billions of dollars and manpower spent in Iraq and go after him, thoroughly, until we got him?

    I don't agree with everything that Moore says, but I do with most of it. He has done his homework. Sicko is quite good too.
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    Default Re: I just watched Farenheit 9/11

    You can relax a bit. Remember this movie was designed to be propaganda. I love Michael Moore, but he purposely leaves off information as it suits his needs.

    Although everything presented in the movie is verifiable fact, there is quite a bit of information that isn't presented. I think the intention of his movie was more to show how we can be emotionally manipulated by the mass corporate media, and to a lesser degree as a presentation of his political ideology.

    He is a marvelous artist. He knows how to draw his audience in and capture their attention emotionally and intellectually. But Fahrenheit 9/11 is by no means meant to be investigative journalism. If you'd like a little bit more objective look at the events leading up to the Iraq war, The One Percent Doctrine is a good book to read on the topic. It is written in novel form, so it is easy reading. You will likely find it disturbing, as well.

    That book propelled me into reading political history. There is nothing really new going on in politics, but what is happening is dangerous to democracy. I'm picking up Naomi Wolf's new book "The End of America" today. That sounds like interesting and urgent reading to save our American culture.

    Also, Al Gore's "The Assault on Reason" is poignant and timely, in the same vane of the other two I recommended.

    Just keep in mind that these books are all slanted towards the liberal/progressive ideology (Well, maybe not The One Percent Doctrine). If you tend to maintain a conservative ideology, these books may prove to be disturbing in their lack of concrete solutions to complex problems. Conservative ideology tends to resolve problems in absolutes and liberal ideology is more about solving problems in shades of gray.


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    I won't go near a single bit of You Have To Buy/Rent This media that has to do with 9/11. I get way too annoyed with bastids making money offa what happened. Meh.
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    Default Re: I just watched Farenheit 9/11

    Yeh I saw it a while ago and it certainly made me think.
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    Default Re: I just watched Farenheit 9/11

    jhuka, did you see Why We fight? If you like Ike, you'll LOVE that documentary.

    In fact, I think Why We Fight is a really supeior documentary to F9/11 in many ways.

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    Default Re: I just watched Farenheit 9/11

    BTW, I'm a huge documentary buff...

    Also, The Corporation is just... brilliant and amazing piece of work.

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    Default Re: I just watched Farenheit 9/11

    I like Paris' summary. I enjoy his films, and it made me think as well, but he admittedly is trying to move the audience emotionally, leaving out details, and context. Nothing wrong with that, as long as it's clear in the mind of the viewer what his movies are about.

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