Maybe I'm over-reacting, but I am thinking of ducking out of this friendship because I am finding it difficult to respect the owner of the highlighted copy. Is that harsh?
Maybe I'm over-reacting, but I am thinking of ducking out of this friendship because I am finding it difficult to respect the owner of the highlighted copy. Is that harsh?



I haven't read 'The Game' - but I have read 'The Rules'. From what you have said so far, they don't sound all that dissimilar.
Your description of The Game made me think a little of sales techniques used on girls. Whereas The Rules is amateur psychology and basic economics used on guys.
Since The Rules has become a worldwide bestseller, something like 6 million copies as I recall, does it matter if there is something for guys?
On a different but related point, is The Game worth a read? Does it have a story? Because The Rules would really have benefitted from being a bit more than just an instruction manual. But hey - what do I know? If I'd sold millions of copies - would I care about a storyline???
(Sits back and dreams of selling millions of copies of first book...)



Ok. I was angling more towards: Is it well written or not?
The best book that I have ever read was about the fall of Stalingrad in the second world war. Hundreds of thousands died in the course of a few months. Just because things happened in the book that one doesn't like or agree with does not stop it from being amazingly well written...
On a different point, I'd end your friendship with the guy who owns the highlighted copy. If you think anyone who reads that book is 'a scumbag', then clearly your friendship is doomed. If you are unable to be objective about reading a book, then someone who highlights his copy will obviously be several rungs further down the ladder. Might as well save time and effort and move on now rather than later.
It's not that anyone who reads it is a scumbag, its that that's ALL they think and talk about.
Can Anyone really blame a guy for for developing social skills that allow him to get over his fear of women. News flash "guys have real emotions too" they (we) get scared and nervous. The "dork" could be the coolest nicest guy once you get to know him. He could be generous, kindhearted and patient. But if his first impression to you is "dorky" and you snuff him off, then you both lose. Some guys don't have cool parents or dads that show them how to treat a lady, let alone talk to one. If you really get into this stuff you learn that is about developing a personality. One of the first recommendations to any Newbie to "PUA" (pick up artistry) is to talk start talking to everyone, the lady in the check out lane, the person passing by on the street, old people young people, and women.
You guys should love this stuff because it allows nice guys to put themselves out there, take chances and not to feel ashamed about being terrible with women. You know there are tons of guys out there that you would like to give some advice too.
No guy can copy another guys "game" or personality completely. You know you want a guy to be smooth and you know you want sex. What you don't want is a bumbling idiot with awkward body language or a guy who is so afraid that you never meet. If you are perceptive enough you'll know when a guy is sincere or not. Its up to you to play along or bail.
Yours Truly,
Alan![]()
Don't lose a friend because he is trying to be a better communicator. It is not all fake.
Can Anyone really blame a guy for for developing social skills that allow him to get over his fear of women. News flash "guys have real emotions too" they (we) get scared and nervous. The "dork" could be the coolest nicest guy once you get to know him. He could be generous, kindhearted and patient. But if his first impression to you is "dorky" and you snuff him off, then you both lose. Some guys don't have cool parents or dads that show them how to treat a lady, let alone talk to one. If you really get into this stuff you learn that is about developing a personality. One of the first recommendations to any Newbie to "PUA" (pick up artistry) is to talk start talking to everyone, the lady in the check out lane, the person passing by on the street, old people young people, and women.
You guys should love this stuff because it allows nice guys to put themselves out there, take chances and not to feel ashamed about being terrible with women. You know there are tons of guys out there that you would like to give some advice too.
No guy can copy another guys "game" or personality completely. You know you want a guy to be smooth and you know you want sex. What you don't want is a bumbling idiot with awkward body language or a guy who is so afraid that you never meet. If you are perceptive enough you'll know when a guy is sincere or not. Its up to you to play along or bail.
Yours Truly,
Alan
Here'a novel idea, how about just being yourself and treating women like people instead of prey? It's one thing to want to be more confident, but chasing women and reading a how to book simply to try to get more notches in your belt is sick and pathetic.
I dont want to "play along" Alan. Sorry, based on your above post, it sounds like you are one of the idiots who need this shit and you clearly know very little about women.We "want a guy to be smooth" and we "want sex?" Are you in high school ? Seriously. Try being normal with women and see where that gets you, "bumbling idiot" They're your words......
Lol with the acronysms. I'd be more inclined to think differently if it wasn't all PUA this and SI that...don't you feel like you're the unfortunate victim of a late nite informercial Alan?
Oh god...where was that thread?
It was the greatest!
Anyone member what I'm talking about!
No but I want to know ! Anyone have a link ?
w00p! Here we go!
It's the funnest.





Men who view picking up women as a game have no respect for women as human beings whatsoever. It repulses me. Why do they view us as prey to be TRICKED into bed? If two people get along well, connect and there is chemistry there shouldn't be any need for trickery or stupid mind games to sleep with a person.
It's not to improve social skills it's a handbook on how to be a sexual predator.
There are many stereotypes about the industry that I work in. Sometimes they can be true but human beings are very diverse creatures and cannot be pigeon-holed into one category.
Some of the most effortlessly beautiful, kind, intelligent, successful, motivated, driven and ridiculously hilarious women that I have ever met have been dancers. I've met the best friends that I've ever had in this industry.
I met a guy at my gym who was bold enough to, not only BRING this book, but read it while working cardio.
I think all guys where in that place at one point. It's a very crucial and molding gray are where we, as guys, look at ourselves and our attractiveness to other women. The question is always the same "Why wouldn't a woman want to have sex with you?" Often comparing yourself to the guy JUST down the way.
Typically, during this phase of my....er men's life, you look at yourself and decide on how to go about achieving that. In this weak time of depression, it's very interesting to see this, Fast Seduction, Double your Dating, and such with great GREAT interest because they sell the "You don't have to change and be hot, you can still get laid" mentality.
Luckily, for me, I didn't seek out self help books, because, regardless of what other reasons where, I went through my process for me. I wanted to be a better me. So when I was introduced to this stuff, I was well on the path and pretty amazed at how common knowledge a lot of things are. I remember reading in DyD that one of the chapters was DEDICATED to getting a hobby. Another was DEDICATED to looking good. Same with Fast Seduction. A lot of it was about building a better you, unfortunately, it was then about USING that new you to get women into bed. The Game focuses almost entirely on this aspect and it's horrible.
I wont sit here and say that these materials are good, they aren't. I am saying that they market to a very insecure male that NEEDS to hear things like "Go to the gym" and, "Do you like to draw? Draw MORE. Enjoy life!" and tells them these things. THEN as these people are beginning the process of change and are feeling better about themselves, and more confident, they attribute it to the book. As they get more confident, they are naturally more attractive, and that's when the evil of these texts come out, because, NOW it's a mental trigger. When a woman approaches, in their head they immediately flip to page with all the responses and tactics necessary, totally unable to think on their own two feet. When they ARE able to think on their own two feet, it's a freestyle of the very obvious text because these materials teach a mentality that makes, the already partially desperate reader, look at any minor success of their own as an employ of the book's teachings.
The book said to get a hobby. I did. Yay book. I talked about that hobby to a girl with similar interests like the book said I would! Yay. She touched my arm....the book says react this way, and now she's all insecure about her nose wrinkles! Yay book! Now we're not talking about anything that doesn't bring up her insecurity and I re-point it out when she does....Yayyyy book! Do you see where this is goin?
And in the end, it's never what the reader wanted long term. Now all they know is how to pray on/break/and manipulate a woman. They had a shot at their confidence and patience leading to a life that doesn't need validated, to now false confidence based on how many women you've slept with as the writer/other readers would judge you, with no long term commitments under your belt.
And even after all that, I know myself enough to say, thank GOD I didn't see these books until AFTER I was committed to my own path. I really couldn't tell you what I would have done. Since I was amazed at how easily you could sell yourself these pieces of information, and the only person really getting manipulated long term...is the reader. At least the women grow wise and exit stage right as soon as the red flags start piling up. He's so fucked in the head, he doesn't see this as a sign at all.
People are not ruled by their memories.
Fuck, I lost my entire post!
"Have you ever been to American wedding? Where is the vodka, where's marinated herring?" - GB
"And do the cats give a shit? No, they do not. Why? Because they're cats."-from The Onion
Originally Posted by Mia M
Just my 50 cents worth (I've actually read the book!).
First of all, what is it? Both men and women seem to treat it as some sort of a manual to picking up women. It's written somewhat in the style of a manual but that doesn't make it so, it actually has a story (sort of). The book is about how the author (Neil Strauss) infiltrates a community of “pick up artists” he finds on the internet and how they teach him how to pick up women. It does contain some tips and ideas but it’s hardly a manual.
Is it as sleazy as women say it is and as effective as men want it to be? Well, no but with some reservations. To some extent it portrays women as prey and it contains some tricks that are manipulative, but mainly the reason it seems so sleazy is the way it’s written (i.e. it sounds sleazy but the content isn't so bad). For instance, starting a conversation with a women could be called just that, “starting a conversation”, but instead they call is “opening a set” and so on. All this technical geekiness makes the whole thing sound awfully dodgy. So does it work? Well it certainly doesn’t contain any “techniques” that will manipulate women into your bed. If you are a completely uninteresting person with nothing to say, reading a few examples of pick up lines out of a book won’t do you much good.
I guess the main message in the book is that guys should be more gutsy and simply talk to more women. Incidentally a women I know who has read the book told me she thought more guys should read it – they could learn from it. Overall I'd say it’s a greatly overrated but somewhat entertaining read, and not much more.
//HC
Oh Gawd,, *considers tying up vagina as seen in another thread*
Hello, Everyone. I talked to a Female entertainer today at Borders Bookstore. She told me about how alot of the females are confused on the whole "pick-up game" She gave me this website, and I'm here to clear up any confusion. : )
*Victory*





I haven't read it, but that's my impression, yeah--thanks for the cogent summation.
I agree that there are a lot of good men out there who are a bit shy, and they could use some help. It can be frustrating to watch guys who are not as good looking, not as smart, not in good shape physically, and who have smaller dicks, nonetheless getting all kinds of action because they are skilled bullshit artists. Meanwhile the shy guy sits there wondering what the fuck is up with men and women, and why this is so. I've been there. Hell I still get a bit shy when I really like a woman, for some reason.
Encouraging predatory behavior is the wrong kind of help, though. Closing in for 'the kill' or 'the score' might impress your friends (the mindless among them, anyway) and get you laid more often, but it's no way to treat a woman.
This isn't what we as men and women need to get along--just as we don't need 'Rules'.
Treating women as prey and trophies will only further antagonize them, in the end, and widen the gulf between the sexes.
Last edited by Djoser; 09-18-2007 at 07:05 PM.
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Free your mind, and your ass will follow.
George Clinton
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Oh when the trolls, oh when the trolls, oh when the trolls come marching in!!!!!
"Have you ever been to American wedding? Where is the vodka, where's marinated herring?" - GB
"And do the cats give a shit? No, they do not. Why? Because they're cats."-from The Onion
Originally Posted by Mia M
My previous lost post simply stated that these techniques aren't so bad if used for good. I.e., for a shy guy looking to make a real connection with a woman.
Honestly, I think the guys on Mystery's show are adorable and aren't looking to get a bunch of chicks in the sack. But why should we deny that men do want to meet and sleep with a variety of women. We have that opportunity daily due to biological factors.
Seriously, any reasonable guy can get a girl like me in bed just by making half and effort. The guy I am not seeing started hanging out and talking to me at a work-related event where both our companies were. I seriously doubt he is using any PUA technique, but perhaps he was. He was sociable without being creepy.
Lots of guys can learn from this. Now, again, I havn't read this book, but I did read an E-book similar to this a few years ago. The author did stress treating women with respect. A slight informal "teasing" upon introduction isn't really that rude (most of the PUA manuals want you to do this). Its similar to pulling pigtails on the playground, etc....
Now I am looking at this from an optimistic POV, not predatorial. So if anyone wants to flame me, feel free. I am sure there is a lot of opportunity to tear this apart.
"Have you ever been to American wedding? Where is the vodka, where's marinated herring?" - GB
"And do the cats give a shit? No, they do not. Why? Because they're cats."-from The Onion
Originally Posted by Mia M





Well what you are advocating is a good thing.
But all you have to do is look at the chapter headings to see that these hardcore 'Game' guys are going about it the wrong way--even if some of them get laid more frequently, lol.
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Free your mind, and your ass will follow.
George Clinton
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I'm becoming a full time lesbian.
I was so upset when i found out my boyfriend had something like this. Im not sure if its the exact same book but ugh. LAME. it is sooo manipulative
Exactly. SO LAME.
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