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    i was thinking I would actually read it to know what game they are playing. ya know to avoid being tricked by some of these "techniques". I would love to manipulate someone trying to manipulate me

    SERIOUSLY look how fucking degrading and juvenile some of these are

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    Is that in the book ? Website or what ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by naughty_princess View Post
    i was thinking I would actually read it to know what game they are playing. ya know to avoid being tricked by some of these "techniques". I would love to manipulate someone trying to manipulate me

    SERIOUSLY look how fucking degrading and juvenile some of these are

    Product Information:
    For only $99 you can get ... which contains invaluable information on:

    # Getting the woman to chase you
    # Buying signals -- the ways she shows interest
    # Asking for her home number and what her answer means
    # Screening out takers and users
    # How to use your phone and her machine to your advantage
    # What date nights to avoid and why
    # The first date -- how to set your ground rules non-verbally
    # Deciphering Womanese -- her secret language
    # Secrets to appearing super confident without bragging
    # What she really wants versus what she says she wants
    # Handling the most dangerous creature -- The Beautiful Woman
    # Discovering her true motives and secret agenda
    # Testing her to see if she really likes you
    # What to do and look for during the first 60 days
    # Finding out if she's worth keeping or dropping
    # The one male trait that will make her do anything for you
    # Women to avoid and why
    # The 3 qualities she must possess for you to stick around

    ...plus tons more.

    Sounds like some of the more mainstream dating books I read in my younger years.

    You don't think it is a good idea to determine if there is someone to avoid? Or to know when someone is actually interested? (A lot of people don't know when they are being pursued or simply in polite company.)

    How many people here ended up with an idiot and we all have to say "S/He's an idiot! Dump Him/er!"

    So it's a book that shows ya how to flirt. Big deal.

    I find it amusing there is a whole section on this site (Hustle Hut) dedicated to squeezing money out of men and the girls here are bent out of shape over a book on how to flirt. This web site entertains me to no end.

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    I think you misunderstand the point. It's not about flirting. It's about lying to , manipulating and using women that is upsetting. Preying on a womans insecurities to get your dick wet as much as possible is just revolting. The Game isn't about dating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol View Post

    So it's a book that shows ya how to flirt. Big deal.

    I find it amusing there is a whole section on this site (Hustle Hut) dedicated to squeezing money out of men and the girls here are bent out of shape over a book on how to flirt. This web site entertains me to no end.
    OMG, check the sky for flying pigs! Deogol, I actually agree with you here!

    Let's not kid ourselves. People write books about how to sell and get what you want.

    "How to Win Friends and Influence People" is a classic, recommended in universities and in sales companies all the time.

    I don't see why this type of thing is that big a deal. I mean hell, we have Dancerwealth here. In my industry, we have a million books and seminars about how to appeal to people's emotions to capture their investable assets.

    Scumbag guys who leech on you at the SC, and out socially, don't read these books. They don't care, they aren't shy and have figured out that its a game of numbers.

    I'm not saying these tactics aren't manipulative, I just don't see the fuss over getting all riled up..

    BTW, when I danced, I got these type of guys all the time. You can sniff them out pretty quickly, as most of them are poor at technique. Still, I would go to the library and read up on these PUA strategies in order to save your time.

    Remember, most of these PL's are weak. They will give up, and will become customers!

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    Deogol...I do see your point, but would just like to add:


    --Stripping is fake life, no way in the world do we treat our men and prospective men like we do a customer

    --Most women are not strippers.

    These books are generally addressing women as a whole, whereas the tips and tricks on this site are at least boiled down to one type of man: The Custy

    The very first thing that makes women put up the defense is the treating all of us as the same, and prey at that.

    ....Not that we aren't all animals looking to bag a catch so's we can tap that ass.

    But it appeals to men and their wolf-pack mentality, just like someone said, dividing the gender roles further...and if it weren't written in such a way that a women would read it and be defensive, most of us would feel more sympathetic.


    Just that there's a way difference between all those acronym crazy cult talk books, and the two books Passion and Law for example.

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    I didn't know this specific book existed until reading it here, but OTOH Kat does have a point... these types of books (how to manipulate others for various reasons) are so common I find it hard to get emotionally worked up by their existence. I can only assume that 1.) people keep writing books like this because someone is buying them, and 2.) there is a little bit of a hustler in all of us; this heinous because it's an extreme, but I accept that everyone hustles to some degree to sway things in their favor.

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    The reason I am (sort of) worked up is because one of my so -called closest friends has used a lot of this shit on me and I didn't know about it until I discovered the book. Even though we aren't dating, it irks me . I thought he was a really cool guy until I realized that his whole personality is a play from this stupid book. After hanging out with his friends, they are engaged in some kind of sick competition and none of them has any substance, They have turned into Game-bots and it's annoying.

    And ladies, A LOT, repeat A LOT of guys are reading this shit and running "Game " on you daily. Sad. There is so much more to knowing a woman than just her vagina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twisterinAZ View Post
    The reason I am (sort of) worked up is because one of my so -called closest friends has used a lot of this shit on me and I didn't know about it until I discovered the book.
    Gotcha. And of course when you're on the receiving end of a hustle, it often can and does suck to learn that one's trust in another and honest emotions invested were nothing but a manipulative game to the other person all along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twisterinAZ View Post
    The reason I am (sort of) worked up is because one of my so -called closest friends has used a lot of this shit on me and I didn't know about it until I discovered the book. Even though we aren't dating, it irks me . I thought he was a really cool guy until I realized that his whole personality is a play from this stupid book. After hanging out with his friends, they are engaged in some kind of sick competition and none of them has any substance, They have turned into Game-bots and it's annoying.

    And ladies, A LOT, repeat A LOT of guys are reading this shit and running "Game " on you daily. Sad. There is so much more to knowing a woman than just her vagina.
    So did this guy get to tap that ass twister?

    I must say, now I'm curious about if any men I've met IRL have used technique on me.

    Oh look, kitty is chasing his tail on the CRT, so cute....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Can Anyone really blame a guy for for developing social skills that allow him to get over his fear of women.
    No, I can't blame a guy for that. However, from what I have heard of this book so far... I can't say that "developing social skills" is exactly what this particular book is aiming for.

    Honestly, I suspect (pretty much... with very few exceptions) every guy of trying to manipulate his way into my pants. So, I can't see myself falling for ANYTHING that could be in that book. Also, I can picture quite a few male friends of mine owning that book. While I could probably overlook that (depending on the guy), if it were highlighted and dog-eared... I'd have to change his status to "casual acquaintance".

    There are a few male "friends" turned "casual acquaintances" that I have for similar reasons. Not because I found out about a book like this... but because I finally realized that they were WAY to concerned about getting into someones pants instead of being honest. (i.e. "Oh, you're having problems with your bf? I'm sorry! When are we hanging out next/ I miss you/ Let's go get a drink!" Or "I'm wearing stockings right now... let's go back to your place and wear stockings together! PPLEEAASSEEE?")
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    Ok its just some self help material(i.e. book, web-site e-book, whatever)! The men who read it have problems talking to women and interacting so not to get put into the "friends" category. How many articles and self help books are there for women? TONS AND TONS. Every woman's mag out there puts articles on how to control your man or this or that. One girl I know had a book called "he's not that into you". But the guy WAS totally into her and she read into this book and bought all of it and destroyed the relationship. How many guys do you know who are awsome people and never get girls? Yes there are tons out there! Who cares if they have to learn how to comunicate with women? Must stuff taught is not about lieing to women but about how to comunicate and be confident. Did you know the guys are saposed to go out and talk to(and get shot down) 5 groups of women a night 5 nights a week. Yea how many people could you go up to knowing you dont know how to talk to them and they are going to shoot you down?

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    howcome this thread has attracted so many posts from first time posters?
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    ^Quite possible that they were lurkers but they own the book... since they keep calling it a "self-help" book. From what twister has said, it doesn't seem so much like "how to meet women" as "how to pretend to be something you're not so they'll have sex with you and then you can move on to the next one".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dealer View Post
    Did you know the guys are saposed to go out and talk to(and get shot down) 5 groups of women a night 5 nights a week. Yea how many people could you go up to knowing you dont know how to talk to them and they are going to shoot you down?
    This is the year 2007... women approach men as well. Here's how it's done:

    1. See person you're attracted to
    2. Say "hi" and make some sort of small talk. Or, if they're with friends, make a lot of eye contact and smile so as to seperate them from said friends.
    3. If there's a connection/ you click, have a normal-person conversation and exchange phone numbers.

    It's simple. If someone gets shot down, it wasn't meant to be. A guy can be nervous and sweating... but if he seems nice and I'm sexually attracted to him (and single), he's at least got a shot. It's like that movie, Hitch... it's not so much about GETTING them so much as not messing it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bella21 View Post
    ^Quite possible that they were lurkers but they own the book... since they keep calling it a "self-help" book. From what twister has said, it doesn't seem so much like "how to meet women" as "how to pretend to be something you're not so they'll have sex with you and then you can move on to the next one".
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    Yep.

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    howcome this thread has attracted so many posts from first time posters?
    Well probably a year ago we had a mini-battle between SWers and members of their mystery method board. They are probably still lurking here and encouraging their members to come over and annoy us again since we're talking about them.

    Women get pissed about the book because it teaches men things that work on women with low self-esteem. They are afraid that the method will work on them, proving that they are easily tricked or duped into liking someone they had no intention of liking.

    I read some of their stupid intro games and "negs" about a year ago, and I've never had anyone use them on me. If they're in the club, they're the douches not spending any money. So, stay away from people not spending money (duh) and you'll be safe from them inside the club anyway.

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    We KINDA hooked up but niether one of us remembers any of it and it was before I knew about the book.And can I just say that the majority of our "friendship" was after. I don't give a shit about that. It's the fact that our whole frindship even after that has been a lie. Like, who are you? You obviously aren't (insert lie here.) He's cute so I just feel like why lie?Are you that much a big weenie that if I knew the REAL you I wouldn't want to be your friend? And what is your real identity ?

    It's weird. I mean think about it, if you found out that everything your female friend told you was a lie and she was someone other than she proclaimed to be, you would think that's fucked up just on a human level. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anabella View Post
    Well probably a year ago we had a mini-battle between SWers and members of their mystery method board. They are probably still lurking here and encouraging their members to come over and annoy us again since we're talking about them.

    Women get pissed about the book because it teaches men things that work on women with low self-esteem. They are afraid that the method will work on them, proving that they are easily tricked or duped into liking someone they had no intention of liking.

    I read some of their stupid intro games and "negs" about a year ago, and I've never had anyone use them on me. If they're in the club, they're the douches not spending any money. So, stay away from people not spending money (duh) and you'll be safe from them inside the club anyway.
    That makes sense. It's the men who have the low self esteem if they have to TRICK a woman into bed. When I like a guy he doesn't need to trick me coz I want it just as much. But I guess these douches have never experienced reciprocal attraction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    howcome this thread has attracted so many posts from first time posters?
    That's what I was thinking. I have a theory.......

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    I can confirm your theory. Many pickup community boards are linking these threads.

    I've been in the pickup community since about 99. It's actually one of the better online communities, believe it or not, but it is not as good as it used to be.

    95% of the men in the community are guys that are SO BAD with women, they'll do anything to improve, and the community helps them a lot. I cannot even describe some of the guys whose lives I've changed or I've seen change because of it. Guys that basically saw themselves dying alone and even as virgins, getting hope and then actual success. It's a self-help community like any other, mostly with good intention.

    It's the other 5%(which includes me), that you have to be concerned about.

    I wish a lot of the PL types would not turn their nose up at us, because they could really use our help in many cases.

    A lot of people on the outside try to guess and think they know what it's about but until you've really been in it, you have no idea. Most women have really no idea how bad some guys have it and on the other hand, no idea what real success is, to us.

    It's not about manipulating women, it's mostly about manipulating yourself so your "best self" comes out in 10 minutes, rather than the several weeks/months that most accidental courtings have.

    Don't judge the community by the book "The Game". It was written by a member of the community that has a tremendously exaggerated view of himself and it is half fiction, half truth. And I've known the guy for many years and I have a long running..."feud" with one of the figures in the book. It is not a manual or even really a good documentation of that period.

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    ^ That's a good post.

    I hear ya tho, about manipulating yourself first, ppl DO need help sometimes...

    It's just on the xtreme end, some of this stuff.

    It's like politics, you always have your well rounded balanced questions, then you have Don't Tase Me Bro.

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    Oh and I'm wondering...

    Do some of ya'll actually read what we write and consider it? Or is it a whole "fuck those defensive whores" mentality.

    Because while some responses on here just spew forth anger and name calling, there are lots of fair balanced opinons that you'd think would be real helpful...

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    Some of them consider it, but in general, women are bad sources of information on women. That sounds crazy but it's quite true because of a few things I'll talk more about if requested.

    As to the "defensive whores" thing, remember what i said: 95% of the guys in the community are guys with no success with women, so many of them are quite bitter about it. Women can often sense this in person, which is part of the reason for their lack of success.

    Many of those types never get anywhere in this "Game" and usually end up what we call KJs: keyboard jockeys. They post and post, but are too afraid to really approach women.

    On the other hand, a lot of success can breed something similar to misogyny, but I try to always be polite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sh0t View Post
    but in general, women are bad sources of information on women.
    How could you be such a n00b here and come out with sig worthy stuff already? That's so ironic I'm not even pissed.

    I WOULD love to hear more, coming from an objective rather than personal viewpoint, like a sociologist wannabe, but I'm afraid it would incite flames and ppl all "OH NO! NOT ANOTHER THREAD ON THIS! CLOSE IMMEDIATELY!!!"

    From the thread by friendly guy who's link I posted, you can totally see where it gets chronic...stemming all from bitterness. It IS very sad that it comes to such a negative viewpoint on women, and then making up wild theories based on all your rejections.

    Such a difference from the guys who have game, get some, etc. who LOVE women have to BE around them at all times, get confused sometimes but love the torture, etc.

    Kinda like bitter old ladies huh? The kind where you say "she just needs a dick and she'll shut up."

    So what makes you in the 5% to be concerned about?

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