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    I've decided to do this: charge $50/song for conversation. If they make some excuse that they're everybody's buddy, that they are a "safe place", that they never get dances or pay for anything, fuck it. If they want to get to know me, it's going to cost them. I think that customers get the best of me when we talk. How draining is it to listen to a guy whine about taking me out, promising me riches, criticizing my tits, etc.? They usually grope you too, don't they? How many times do you cringe with each word? How much easier is it to dance? When customers suck up my time with chit chat, I'm not getting paid and am missing opportunities to get paid with better, more pleasant customers, customers who understand that I have kids to feed and a boyfriend to support (lol), customers who won't badger me with OTC meetings, customers who won't say, "Prove that you're not all about the money," customers who not only get the game but enjoy it.

    I want to make a statement that if they are not getting dances or VIPs, that they are still getting a bill.

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    Honestly, I don't think that will go over well at all.

    Yes, you might find someone willing to spend that much, but I'm betting it'll take you a long time to find him.

    However, if faced with the choice--$20 for a dance, $50 to sit and talk to me, you might get a few more takers on the dance!

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    Is that to turn them off from wanting to talk? Like making it so high that they will stfu and get a dance or just say no and not waste your time? If so, that will work, but I doubt you will get many takers on 50 per song for talk time, that's what hourlys are for. That makes you 1000 per hour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buffie06 View Post
    Is that to turn them off from wanting to talk? Like making it so high that they will stfu and get a dance or just say no and not waste your time? If so, that will work, but I doubt you will get many takers on 50 per song for talk time, that's what hourlys are for. That makes you 1000 per hour.
    Yep. You got the idea. Most of the blabbermouths think that conversation is free. When I bring up VIPs, they're "oh, no, I don't do dances." It's hard to convince them that VIPs are not hour-long dance-a-thons. So I'm putting a price for conversation on the dance floor, more or less to drive them to the VIP or drive them away.

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    Unfortunately that would never work in my club where the guys can get cuddles, flirtation and conversation from 95% of the girls for free. They'd say "Howcome she's not charging?" and point to a girl sitting on a guys lap giggling away lol.

    I just want to consistently lap dance. Tonight I'm going in commando!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrayStripper View Post
    Yep. You got the idea. Most of the blabbermouths think that conversation is free. When I bring up VIPs, they're "oh, no, I don't do dances." It's hard to convince them that VIPs are not hour-long dance-a-thons. So I'm putting a price for conversation on the dance floor, more or less to drive them to the VIP or drive them away.
    Ahhhh, I see. I kinda thought you were leaning that way, but it wasn't clear to me in the OP.

    Hell yes. Let us know if it works!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrayStripper View Post
    I want to make a statement that if they are not getting dances or VIPs, that they are still getting a bill.

    I understand the reasoning behind this, but I don't understand why it has to cost more.

    I think there's a fine line between being all about the money and making it glaringly obvious that you're all about the money. They need that glimmer of hope that you might actually like hanging out with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    I understand the reasoning behind this, but I don't understand why it has to cost more.

    I think there's a fine line between being all about the money and making it glaringly obvious that you're all about the money. They need that glimmer of hope that you might actually like hanging out with them.
    Where I work, it's $10/dance with a $90 house fee, 15% funny money loss, and the usual tip outs. I *loathe* doing anything on the floor. I don't do more than 2-3 dances per customer and neither do any of the other girls because dances are (unfortunately) a waste of time. For me to make above $200, I need at least one VIP.

    Of course, the presentation would be done in stupid ditzy stripper voice and I would make clear that they are sooo damn fabulous and I love them to pieces but the big bad club is structured such that I am not allowed to enjoy their company unless I am compensated X amount. And maybe they will feel like a knight and save me with money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily View Post
    I think there's a fine line between being all about the money and making it glaringly obvious that you're all about the money. They need that glimmer of hope that you might actually like hanging out with them.
    From the male side of the fence - fair comment.

    I doubt many of us are so dumb as not to realise that you're only dancing for us because of the money, but the glimmer of hope Emily mentioned is important.

    It allows us to suspend disbelief for long enough for the glimmer of hope to make an appearance. Remove the room for disbelief and maybe we'll start to look for another dancer who will leave our illusions intact.

    Too obvious an emphasis on money can be counter-productive. No-one likes to think that the only reason you're spending time with us is that you're being paid to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrayStripper View Post
    If they make some excuse that they're everybody's buddy, that they are a "safe place", that they never get dances or pay for anything, fuck it.

    I want to make a statement that if they are not getting dances or VIPs, that they are still getting a bill.
    The ones that are everyone's buddy... you're not going to teach them anything. There will always be some other girl that will hang out for free. Money-makers recognize these repeat "customers" and will steer clear of them for more lucrative targets.

    If I get a talker...
    1. I try to close him before the conversation gets out of hand to just shut him up. If he says no to a dance, then sometimes I stick around for another song. Why? Because I'm going to try to sell him something totally different.
    2. They'll often offer to buy you a drink when you don't immediately walk away after the rejection. I don't take this as just a drink offer. I take it as a symbol from them that they want to talk to you over a drink. Perfect.
    3. The key then is to get them to have that drink with you somewhere else. Be enthusiastic when you accept. Tell them that you'd love to have a drink with them, and that you really want to go to a private room where you can actually hear them better and maybe do a few dances for them (wink wink, get your flirt on).
    4. Insist. Don't be a pussy. You'll see him raise his eyebrows. They want to believe that you really want to spend that time with them that bad. "Come on, I'll carry your drink for you." Lead with body language. Get him out of his seat.

    I'm not kidding you, this works some of the time. This is how I get about 25% of my VIPs. The occasional takers will make you that extra $200-400 off a guy that originally rejected your dance. If they don't want to do the VIP room, then I tell them never mind about the drink, but I appreciate the offer. I have to go make money now.

    I pretty much don't sell blocks of time out on the floor because it's hard to get the guy to understand that although you approached him for "free", that he will have to now start paying you for that same "free" conversation. This awkward transition can be eased by getting him to move to VIP. If you can get him to get up and physically move, it will program him to think he's paying for something more or something different. That would justify him opening his wallet. Technically you are still doing the same damn thing in a VIP room. Sitting and talking. We know that. They don't. We sell them the fluff that is the VIP room and they just eat it up.

    There are some situations that are conducive to selling blocks of time on the floor though. If the guy doesn't want you to leave him, then tell him sure I can stay here with you, but you need to make it worth my time. If they're interested, they'll ask you how much it'll take to keep you around. I've had that happen a couple of times. Those whiners are great. They cost themselves so much money.
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    Yay! It's working. Well, in the sense that it preserves my dignity. I'm the type of girl that needs to offer a customer something he wants or I feel as if I haven't done my job. If he wants conversation, I have it in stock. If he can't afford it or wants it for free, that's his problem, not mine and is no reflection on me.

    I am, however, getting offers to do dance priced conversation. At $10/song with insane fees, it's not worth my time. The customer doesn't know the reasons I have to turn down his offer, and I feel bad about that. But, it is a tremendous compliment to know that customers will tip me on the floor just for being a good stripper.

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    I never try to sell conversation because I dont have the confidence to ask for payment for it and because customers who have paid me for conversation in the past have expected a LOT more time than I would spend if I danced for them. It's as if they think they are DOING ME A FAVOUR because I dont have to dance for them. But like the OP I would much rather dance for a custie than converse with them, I get bored very easily and find it hard to play the flirt with someone I have no interest in.

    A good way to remind a customer who is trying to chit chat for ages for free that they need to either get a dance or piss off is to say "Well it's been nice talking to you but I have to go and WORK now". You could add onto the end of that "can I dance for you?". But mentioning the word WORK reminds them that that is what we are there to do.
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    Why not try to sell the talkers on a VIP?

    Guys wanting conversation are the type I target. Easy money, just sit and listen, and these guys are the ones usualyl willing to shell out cash all night long to bullshit.

    I just say to them, " I would love to talk with you, but it's so loud out here and I can't hear you very well, plus, it's to distracting. Why don't we go to VIP so I can give you my full attention?"
    The key is if the conversation begins to stall, make damn sure you've started it back up when time is almost over. Garenteed they will renew their VIP time if they are involved in a captivating conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylinn View Post
    Why not try to sell the talkers on a VIP?

    Guys wanting conversation are the type I target. Easy money, just sit and listen, and these guys are the ones usualyl willing to shell out cash all night long to bullshit.

    I just say to them, " I would love to talk with you, but it's so loud out here and I can't hear you very well, plus, it's to distracting. Why don't we go to VIP so I can give you my full attention?"
    The key is if the conversation begins to stall, make damn sure you've started it back up when time is almost over. Garenteed they will renew their VIP time if they are involved in a captivating conversation.
    Good line. Thanks!

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    What do you do in the VIP, I am often asked.

    Well, you obviously can't say ur gonna talk cuz its a stripclub and nobody comes there for a chat and willing to pay in the vip for it.
    There is no sex, blow job in the room, you will be locked down even just saying that you will do it.

    Sometimes, I am just not creative enough to answer this question.

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    ^ what does that reply have to do with this thread?

    Love it!

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    Yeah I really do like that VIP room idea... lets take this convo in there.
    It is pretty annoying talking on the floor anyways because of the volume so it's a pretty tempting offer for the custies too.
    And yeah... I don't think giving or not giving a bj is an issue in this case...

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    Quote Originally Posted by paintgoddess View Post
    If I get a talker...
    1. I try to close him before the conversation gets out of hand to just shut him up. If he says no to a dance, then sometimes I stick around for another song. Why? Because I'm going to try to sell him something totally different.
    2. They'll often offer to buy you a drink when you don't immediately walk away after the rejection. I don't take this as just a drink offer. I take it as a symbol from them that they want to talk to you over a drink. Perfect.
    3. The key then is to get them to have that drink with you somewhere else. Be enthusiastic when you accept. Tell them that you'd love to have a drink with them, and that you really want to go to a private room where you can actually hear them better and maybe do a few dances for them (wink wink, get your flirt on).
    4. Insist. Don't be a pussy. You'll see him raise his eyebrows. They want to believe that you really want to spend that time with them that bad. "Come on, I'll carry your drink for you." Lead with body language. Get him out of his seat.

    I'm not kidding you, this works some of the time. This is how I get about 25% of my VIPs.
    Interesting. I usually assume if a guy doesn't want a dance that he just doesn't have any money or just doesn't like me enough to want to spend it. I move on pretty quickly. I might try this some time, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quietstorm View Post
    What do you do in the VIP, I am often asked.

    Well, you obviously can't say ur gonna talk cuz its a stripclub and nobody comes there for a chat and willing to pay in the vip for it.
    There is no sex, blow job in the room, you will be locked down even just saying that you will do it.

    Sometimes, I am just not creative enough to answer this question.
    Give her a break. She's new. But yeah, this is a different topic and one that's been covered many times. Try searching for "champagne room" and/or "what do I get"

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    Charging for conversation isn’t a new concept. In Japan bizarre employment like this is part of the territory.

    At members-only hostess clubs, customers pay to drink with women at a club that's open from 8 or 9 in the evening until 2 or 3 in the morning. They come most often in groups, particularly with co-workers, but if a man is really smitten with one of the hostesses he will probably come alone.

    Men pay $150 per person for the first hour and $100 per person for each subsequent hour.

    The drinks are extra (though most regulars purchase a bottle, usually of whiskey, to last them for several visits), as are "requests" for a particular woman to sit at your table ($20-$30 per request). Clubs in less prestigious neighborhoods are generally cheaper, but most Ginza and Akasaka establishments average about $100 to $200 an hour. Prices are somewhat reduced from 10 years ago, before Japan's economic bubble burst.

    But the prices can be higher. At some hostess clubs in the Gion district of Kyoto, Japan's ancient capital, men might ask the mama-san to order geisha or maiko to supplement the hostesses' company, but it costs them dearly: $1,000 per hour to drink with one maiko or $500 per hour for one geisha, in addition to the club's normal fees.

    Why a man would pay so much (the average is $500 to $600) for seemingly so little? The places that charge the most don't offer perks like strip shows. Instead, they are simply quiet oasis in the chaos of Tokyo, full of velvet couches, and expensive orchids.

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    For me, selling conversation is my MAIN hustle. On nights that I'm only asking about lap dances, I'll make 100-200 bucks. That's it. If I'm lucky I'll get a champagne room and leave with 500-600.
    Now, however, I've started having guys tip me to just sit with them and drink. If convo gets slow we will do dances, sometimes we do a CR, but sometimes not. I've got four custies I am doing this with now and if one of them are there I don't make less than 800. Sometimes I hit the g. Granted, these regs can't come in all the time, so with other customers I do it in shorter stints, pay me for an hour, things like that.
    I like my job, but if I don't have to dance I'm not going to :-)

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