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    I work in an upscale, air dance, no contact club. Basically during the $10 air dance there is no contact, and in VIP, there is some very light contact usually at the discretion of the dancer.

    Lately its been driving me nuts. Where as high contact girls used to be in the minority, girls that are not crossing boundaries are having a hard time making money anymore.

    I think part of it is because my bf and i are at the point of looking to get engaged and I am finishing school in a 1.5 yrs, so i am just going to dance a lot for the next few months to pay off debt and then cut back my schedule. I have never been a contact girl but lately i get more and more angry when it happnes. Where as, i used to walk by VIPs at my club and just see girls sitting on laps and talking or just air dancing, now i walk by and i see full out titty groping, grinding, making out, and vigorous dry humping.

    I just dont want to be part of this.

    Its really screwing up my money. I lost a VIP last week..this guy picked me out, had me sit and have a drink with him, but then once he sensed i wasn't that kind of girl he flat out refused to go to VIP with me..and then hours later i see him there with another girl (with a bad reputation) kissing each other on the mouth and he had his hand on her crotch. I just wish my club would stop looking the other way and make it easier for good girls to make money. I have even noticed a lot of good girls that usually are always in VIP not getting as many, and girls that usually don't get VIP getting a lot more.

    I am also getting irritated with customers expecting a lot of mileage on the main floor. Keep in mind--this is just the politics at my club--i know there is mileage on main floor in other clubs , but its really frowned upon at this club. For example, last night this group of businessmen with plenty of money came in...one wanted me to sit on his lap (i sat on the arm of the chair) and spent the whole ime trying to feel up my legs and ass. I was only talking to him because I thought he was good VIP material, but then when i danced for him, he tried to get touchy and i pushed his hands off , and after sitting and spending a good amount of time iwth him, he opened up his bill fold with 100's and 20's and gave me two fives and ushered me away.

    When someone wants to touch me and talk to me on the main floor, and then only gives the minimum with no tip, i want to punch them in the face!! ugh!!

    I want to say look buddy, i am a dancer. A DANCER. A Fucking DANCER. That does not mean we are on a date, or we are hooking up or anything will ever happen, and if you want some touching and groping get off your fat ass and find yourself a woman in real life. I really just think that women in the club are beautiful and nice enough that paying to see us naked and dancing and having us pay attention is PLENTY for the money--only losers with no money expect all sorts more.

    anyone else go through this? any ideas on if/how i should mention this to management?

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    Not to sound totally negative, but your club probably realizes that the way to sell more VIPs is to let the girls get away with stuff. Unless they clean it up, it's going to be the same or get worse as all the girls try to do something dirtier than the others to make the money. There aren't too many options. Talk to management, but that probably won't help. Find a new club where contact rules are strictly enforced. Start doing what all the other girls do, or closer to it.

    Management must be aware that all of this is going on, and they are willfully ignoring it. Talking to them will most likely just make you look like a complainer (even though your concerns are completely justified).

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    It's always gone on. The girls that you least expect to do it do do it. Sometimes they cut a "deal". The customer will negotiate down to $100/hour instead of the standard $300. It's dreadful. Cheap and skanky. If a girl chooses to provide a full contact dance with kissing where it isn't allowed, she should charge MORE and be DISCREET.

    I had the least problems with contact when I worked at your club. Still, I know what you mean. When I learned that some of my "friends" were routinely putting out, my heart broke.

    Rest assured, the club isn't going downhill. It's just slow now and you have time to notice what other girls are doing.

    I often think about going back to your club. Low tipout, great dressing room, posh building, and I'm home by 3:30 am, showered and everything. But I am comfy where I am, even though I don't get to bed until 6 am.

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    Don't get discouraged Heidi, there's still plenty of girls there that WILL NOT "put out" no matter how little money is in their garter! What helps me get through everything is I really try to not pay any attention to what other girls are doing. I don't pay attention to what other girls are doing in VIP rooms or what she's allowing or what not because that's not what I allow and I don't care if every single girl in the club is allowing boob groping, french kissing, hands down their pants, etc., it's not what I allow so it's not going to happen, end of story. If a customer says "well, so in so let me do that....." I simply say "well, that's totally against the rules and if a manager would've seen the both of you, she would've been fired and you would've been banned from the club". That always shuts them up for me, you just have to be very firm about what YOU allow and don't allow and stick to it no matter what. Don't worry hun, you can still make money and be one of the clean ones, just go in and worry about you and you only and you'll be fine. And you may have some nights where it was either not make money and be clean or make money and be dirty but that's just how this business is and just remember money will come and go but a bad memory will last a lifetime and it's so not worth it! Don't worry, money will get better soon and don't ever compromise yourself! We clean girls need to stick together and if a customer is going to be an asshole like the one you described above, be glad you found out early on what he was like because I would bet any money that if you would've gotten him to VIP he would've been trying the whole time to stick his fingers up you and would have payed the bare minimum. He would've made your hourly hell on earth!

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    It sounds like your management has changed its mind about what kind of club it is because they'd be threatening those girls otherwise. It all comes from management. Is there another upscale, airdance club you can go to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leogirl876 View Post
    I would bet any money that if you would've gotten him to VIP he would've been trying the whole time to stick his fingers up you and would have payed the bare minimum. He would've made your hourly hell on earth!
    And you would have had nightmares about the incident for months. Not worth the money.

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    OH man do I know how you feel. The other night I was giving a simple $20 floor dance to a very gropey guy, I told him he could not touch at all so he pouted like a little 5 year old for the rest of the dance.

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    thanks for the input ladies..

    I truly love my club, it is a great place to work, very professional and classy. I think those girls doing that stuff will find themselves more and more on the outsides. hopefully with the season getting better it will be easier!!

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    Default Re: stripper burn out and club getting dirty

    but your club probably realizes that the way to sell more VIPs is to let the girls get away with stuff. Unless they clean it up, it's going to be the same or get worse as all the girls try to do something dirtier than the others to make the money. There aren't too many options. Talk to management, but that probably won't help. Find a new club where contact rules are strictly enforced. Start doing what all the other girls do, or closer to it.

    Management must be aware that all of this is going on, and they are willfully ignoring it. Talking to them will most likely just make you look like a complainer
    I don't want to be the prophet of doom and gloom either, but there's no denying that upscale no contact clubs are under a lot of financial pressure. The biggest 'strike' was a recent court ruling that outlawed strip club business expense tax deductions for corporations - thus businessmen customers are now paying for dances and VIP's out of their own pockets instead of with their expense accounts. Add to that the fact that all customer personal budgets are under assault from rising energy prices, rising food prices, rising insurance costs, rising state and local taxes etc. creating an expectation of receiving more 'bang' for their buck.

    On the clubowner side, their expenses are increasing too i.e. property taxes, utility bills, insurance costs are rising. And all clubowners realize that with the way current laws are written, it is the dancer and only the dancer who faces the charges and legal penalties if busted for providing excessive contact to customers. Thus except for a possible short-lived bust report in a local newspaper, the clubowner has absolutely nothing to lose and a whole lot to gain by 'looking the other way' when dancers employ 'extra' sales techniques (pun intended) to sell more private dances and/or VIP's.

    As formerly 'clean' clubs find that more and more dancers are willing to provide 'extras', there is also usually a change in the customer base. Word of mouth communication about the availability of 'extras' will probably drive away a few former customers who are fearful of the possible personal negative fallout if they were to be in the club and a bust occurred. But on the other hand, for every low contact expectation customer that the club loses, there will probably be two new customers who come to the club specifically because word has it that 'extras' are now available. In terms of the clubowner, this means more cover charges / drink sales / 'cuts' from private dances and VIP's. In terms of dancers willing to provide 'extras', this means more customers and more earnings potential. But in terms of 'clean' dancers, this means fewer customers who will be content with no contact private dances.

    Unless the clubowner is willing to make a commitment to reduce his own income by actually enforcing a 'no extras' policy, the presence of 'extras' in the club is going to continue or increase. As the earnings potential for 'clean' dancers drops, these girls will face a choice of either starting to provide 'extras' themselves, living with more and more 'one dance' customers thus declining earnings, or moving on to another club / another profession. This remains true whether or not local ordinances are in force banning contact between dancers and customers, because no charges can be brought against the clubowner as long as the club maintains 'plausible deniability' - 'honest, officer I had no idea what was going on back there'. However, maintaining 'plausible deniability' also means that the club must look the other way in regard to 'extras' taking place 100% of the time. If a clubowner were to fire a dancer for providing 'extras', this creates a legal precedent that the clubowner WAS aware that 'extras' were in fact taking place, thus exposing the clubowner to possible criminal charges during future busts. Once on record as having fired one dancer for giving 'extras', the only way for the clubowner to avoid possible criminal charges during future busts is if the clubowner immediately fires EVERY dancer reportedly giving 'extras' as soon as he learns about it ... which of course will greatly reduce the club's revenues. Thus the situation under current law forces the clubowner to totally ignore 'extras' or totally enforce a zero contact policy with no second chances ... anything in between potentially exposes the clubowner to bust risk.

    Ironically, the passage of new local ordinances specifically banning contact lap dances, establishing distance rules etc. usually do absolutely nothing to stop the availability of 'extras' - and actually INCREASE the likelihood that 'extras' will take place. The myopic reason of course is 'moral hazard' (pun not intended) ... the fact that the legal penalties provided for under the new no contact ordinance wind up being exactly the same as existing legal penalties provided under state prostitution laws. Thus dancers quickly realize that it makes no difference in terms of bail, sentence, fine, or criminal record if they are busted for touching a customer versus being busted for providing a customer with a HJ, BJ or FS ! Even more ironically, typically 'clean' dancers busted for touching a customer have fairly poor earnings potential, meaning that they are typically not in a position to retain their own attorney - leading to 'clean' dancers accepting offers from the club's attorney to cover bail and fine costs in exchange for accepting a plea bargain ( which equals a de-facto guilty plea). On the other hand, 'dirty' dancers who are earning big money will have the financial means to retain their own attorney and if necessary mount an appeal, such that the probability of 'dirty' dancers having charges against them dropped or being found innocent on appeal are far better than those of the 'clean' dancers.


    I think those girls doing that stuff will find themselves more and more on the outsides. hopefully with the season getting better it will be easier!!
    I would be very interested in hearing whether or not this actually turns out to be the case. In general, once 'extras' become part of the club's business model, the availability of 'extras' from dancers and the presence of customers expecting 'extras' usually just continues to increase.
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    Last edited by Melonie; 09-23-2007 at 01:39 AM.

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