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    has anyone read the original fairy tales? no, not the disney ones.

    ruin the endings by telling the ones you read.

    me first.

    the little mermaid (my personal fave) by disney was soooo sugarcoated.
    in the original, she gets her tongue cut out by the sea witch, and does not have the option of being a mermaid ever again. so yea, she accepts. she goes to the surface, and is saved by the prince. she is seen as a mute, but still the prince falls in love with her because in his subconcious, she rescued him, right?

    anyhow... the prince loved to watch her dance. every time she would dance, it would feel like knives were stabbing her in the feet, but she would still do it. yeesh!

    well... the end is near: the prince is set to marry someone else. the mermaid's sisters come to her the night of the wedding and tell her, that they cut thier hair off to make a deal with the seawitch. their hair for a special knife, that when the little mermaid stabbed the prince in the heart, and his blood touched her feet, they would turn back to fins, and she could go home.

    she decides to do this, and goes to where the prince and his new wife slept. she debates whether or not to kill him, in the end, decides she cannot do it. she goes to die on the ship's deck... and right when her body hits the ocean, and turns to seafoam, the prince realizes the truth, but it is too late.

    the end.

    i love that story i cried when i sawa 70's anime about it though... i was sobbing so hard!!!!

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    I used to watch that movie over and over and over and over when I was a kid. I was 11 when Disney released their version, and when I saw it, I was PISSED. I still feel a little bit outraged when I see that stupid singing fish movie. That was a beautiful story about deep love and sacrifice and what it means to love someone so much you'd rather die than cause them pain or unhappiness... and they turned it into a goofy-ass fluffy singing fish movie where no matter how you fuck up, somebody will bail you out in the end. Fuck Disney. In the ass.

    I love Hans Christian Andersen stories. They're fucked up, but so is life. They prepared kids for the inevitable discovery that life is not fair and sometimes it hurts, and taught them how to cope.

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    i love the disney version (i was four yek... four!!! you were eleven! crazy!!! i always thought of you as 25 ish!) but... it's definetly not the better version.

    i think i'm more attached to the soundtrack... i can sing ANY song on it... even the chef song.

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    I'm 28. I first saw the movie when I was 11, but it was on video, so I just looked it up... the movie came out in 1989, and I would have turned 10 that summer. 'Scuse me, I was a year off. It's not a bad little Disney musical on its own merits, but I'll never forgive them for taking such a beautiful original story and pissing on it. I think it's a symptom of our larger culture's recent notion that childhood should consist of 18 years of total innocence, where nothing bad ever happens and no child should ever be aware of any pain or evil in the world. We see where it's gotten us. It's time to bring back Hans Christian Andersen.

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    ^ let's bring it back yek. you can make the movie :]

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    I know the original, but "Les Poisson" is possibly the most twisted Disney song ever. There's a statue of the Little Mermaid somewhere in...Scandinavia I think? (I just looked it up, it's in Copenhagen.)

    Most of the HCA, Brothers Grimm, etc, all the originals that were passed down, do NOT end well. Disney always pretties up the stories. I thought the version of Snow White, maybe 10 years ago with Sigourney Weaver, was pretty decent. It was much more dark and unpleasant and a bit truer to the source material.
    waffles are just pancakes with little squares on them.

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    ^ oh chris, tell us about that one! i was too young to watch it then, but i wanna know!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corgan View Post
    anyhow... the prince loved to watch her dance. every time she would dance, it would feel like knives were stabbing her in the feet, but she would still do it. yeesh!
    This detail is eerily remincent of some things exotic dancers deal with & I always compare dancers to Scheherazade, from the Arabian Nights fairy tales.

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    i want to know some arabian nights ones!

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    Well, it had the basic elements everyone knows. Bitch stepmother, pretty girl, talking mirror, poisoned apple, woodman. The miners in the woods aren't dwarves though and there aren't any cute baby animals happily cavorting around either. Sigourney is the stepmom, she's jealous of her stepdaughter's beauty, so she sends her into the woods with one of her huntman with instructions to kill her, and bring back her heart. He can't do it, lets her go. Same basic premise, but it was live action and just overall more malicious in tone. It's a decent rental, and it's on cable from time to time.

    I haven't read most of these since I was younger, now I feel like digging some up. I need to brush up on some of my Greek mythology too. I was explaining some stories to my daughter recently and I have forgotten a few things.
    waffles are just pancakes with little squares on them.

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    the classic grimm's fairy tales have very adult aspects, and surprisingly, they aren't watered down in 'illustrated for kids' copies.

    i used to read fairy tales exclusively. i tried to find every kind of fairy tale from every kind of culture. greek/roman stuff, grimm's, perrault, tales from various african countries and native american tribes, chinese stuff, tales from other asian countries, slave folk tales, tales from eastern european countries, you name it, i have probably read it if someone put out a book of 'fairy tales from x culture/country/ethnicity'.

    people are strange, but cross-culturally they love their fairy stories...

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    I have a Grimms tales book which an old lady gave to me when I was 7. Ive never read it Im sad to say but I love the bastardised Rick Mayal versions which he used to read on tv!

    I recently found out that Cinderella is actually a 1000 year old story which originates from China - that sort of makes sense when you think about the small shoe thing.

    Id love to know the other stories pre Hans Christain Anderson and where they originated from but Im unlikely to bother to find out unless someone tells me about them. (Yay thread!)

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    Corgan, that is an excellent idea. A live-action movie of the original Little Mermaid story... I love it. Way too big a budget for this stage of my career but I'm putting that on my list of future projects.

    I like the original poem about Mulan. That's another one Disney had to pretty up, but they didn't do such an awful job on that one. I think Mulan is probably the only completely positive female role model they've ever given us. But anyway, the original story is great.

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    Got nothin' new to add. Just that my HCA was my most beloved book growing up and I adore fairy tales and folktales. In my other life (yanno, the one that's mostly in my head) I write children's stories of the same mythic flavor and dimensions.


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    Be careful about vanity.

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    Hundreds of Classic stories and essays

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    Hans Christian Anderson

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    Quote Originally Posted by rozz View Post
    The Red Shoes. Be careful about vanity.
    i enjoyed that one i just read it.

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    I read the originals of a lot of those when I was in Jr. High. I remember the Rapunzel one most vividly though. It was a bit disturbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rozz View Post
    The Red Shoes. Be careful about vanity.
    I read that a year ago, and that gave me nightmares!

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    Here's my personal favorite. It's a real scottish Fairy Tale, complete with Fairies and everything.


    Tam Lin

    Oh, I forbid you, maidens all
    That wear gold on your hair,
    To come or go by Carterhaugh,
    For young Tam-Lin is there.

    There's none that goes by Carterhaugh
    But must leave him a wad;
    Either gold ring, or green mantles,
    Or else their maidenhead.

    Now gold rings ye may buy, maidens,
    Green mantles ye may spin;
    But, if you lose your maidenhead,
    you'll ne'er get that again.

    But up spoke her, fair Janet,
    The fairest of all her kin;
    I'll come and go to Carterhaugh,
    And ask no leave of him.

    Janet has belted her green kirtle,
    A little around her knee,
    And braided her yellow hair,
    A little around her bree.

    And to the wood of Carterhaugh
    She traveled forth alone,
    To pull the roses from the tree,
    In spite of young Tam-lin.

    And when she came to Carterhaugh,
    She went beside the well,
    And there she found his steed standing,
    But away was himsel'

    She had not plucked a red red rose
    A rose but barely three,
    Till up then started young Tam-Lin
    At Lady Janet's knee.

    Why plucks thou the rose Janet,
    And why breaks thou the tree?
    Or why come ye to Carterhaugh
    Without asking leave of me?

    Carterhaugh it is my own
    My da gave it to me,
    I'll come and go by Carterhaugh
    And ask no leave of thee.

    He took her by the milk-white hand,
    Amoung the leaves so green,
    And what they did I cannot tell--
    The green leaves were between.
    He took her by the milk-white hand,
    Amoung the roses red;
    And what they did, I cannot say--
    She ne'er returned a maid.

    When she came to her father's hall,
    She looked so pale and wan,
    They thought she had some strange sickness,
    or been with some leman.

    She didna comb her yellow hair,
    Nor make meikle o'er her head,
    An ill thing that the lady took,
    Was like to be her death.

    Four and twenty ladies fair,
    Were playing at the chess,
    And out then came fair Janet,
    as green as onie glass.

    Out then spoke an old grey knight,
    Lay o'er the castle wall--
    And says Alas! For thee Janet,
    But we'll be blamed all!

    Hold your tongue, ye old grey knight,
    Some ill death may you die,
    Father my bairn on whom I will,
    I'll father none on thee.

    Out then spoke her father dear,
    And he spoke meek and mild--
    And ever, alas! My sweet Janet,
    I think thou art with child.

    If that I am with child, father,
    Myself must bear the blame,
    There's not a lord about your hall
    Shall get the bairnie's name.

    And if I be with child, father,
    `Twill prove a wondrous birth,
    For I will swear I'm not with child
    To any man on Earth.

    If my love were an earthly knight,
    As he's a elfin grey,
    I would not give my own true love,
    For any lord you say.

    The steed that my true love rides on,
    Is lighter than the wind,
    With silver he is shod before,
    With burning gold behind.

    Janet has kilted her green kirtle,
    A little around her knee,
    And she has snooded her yellow hair
    A little about her bree.
    And she's away to Carterhaugh,
    As fast as she can be.

    And when she came to Carterhaugh,
    She went beside the well,
    And there she found his steed standing,
    But away was himsel'

    She had not plucked a red red rose
    A rose but barely three,
    Till up then started young Tam-Lin
    At Lady Janet's knee.

    Why plucks thou the rose Janet,
    Amoung the leaves so green,
    And all to kill the bonny babe,
    That we got us between.

    The truth you'll tell to me Tam-Lin,
    For's sake that died on tree,
    If ever you were in holy chapel,
    Or Christendom did see.

    The truth I'll tell to thee Janet,
    A word I will not lie'
    A knight me got, a lady me bore,
    As well as they did thee.

    Randolph, Earl Murray, was my sire,
    Dunbar, Earl March, is thine,
    We loved when we were children small,
    Which yet you well may mind.

    When I was a boy just turned of nine,
    My uncle sent for me,
    To hunt, to hawk, and ride with him,
    And keep him company.

    There came a wind out of the north,
    A sharp wind and a snell,
    A dead sleep then came over me,
    And from my horse I fell

    The Queen of Faeries caught me,
    And took me to hersel',
    And ever since, in yon green hill,
    With her I'm bound to dwell.

    And we that live in faeryland,
    No sickness know, nor pain,
    I quit my body when I will,
    And take to it again.

    I quit my body when I please,
    Or unto it repair,
    We can inhabit at our ease,
    In either earth or air.

    Our shapes and sizes we can convert,
    To either large or small,
    An old nut shell's the same to us
    as is the lofty hall.
    We sleep in rosebuds soft and sweet,
    We revel in the stream,
    We wanton lightly on the wind,
    Or glide on a sunbeam.

    And all our wants are well supplied
    From every rich man's store,
    Who thankless sins the gifts he gets,
    And vainly grasps for more.

    And it is such a bonny place,
    And I like it so well,
    That I would never tire, Janet,
    In faeryland to dwell.

    But aye, at every seven years,
    They pay the tiend to hell,
    And I'm so fair and full of flesh,
    I fear `twill be mysel'.

    This night is Hallow-e'en, Janet,
    The morn' is Hallow-day,
    And if ye dare your true love win,
    Ye haven't time to stay.

    The night it is good Hallow-e'en,
    When faery folk will ride,
    And she that would her true love win,
    At Miles Cross she must bide.

    And how shal thee I ken, Tam-Lin?
    And how shall thee I know,
    Amoung so many faery folk,
    The like I never saw?

    The first company that passes by,
    Stand still and let them go,
    The next company that passes by,
    Stand still and do right so.

    The third company that passes by
    All clad in robes of green,
    It is the head one of them all
    For in it rides the queen.

    I'll there ride ride on the milk-white steed,
    With a gold star in my crown,
    Because I was an earthly knight,
    They give me that renown.
    First let pass the black Janet,
    And then let pass the brown,
    But grip ye to the milk-white steed,
    And pull the rider down.

    My right hand will be gloved, Janet,
    My left hand will be bare,
    And these the tokens I give to thee,
    If ye would win me there.

    They'll turn me in your arms, lady,
    Into an esk and adder,
    But hold me fast, don't let me pass,
    I am your bairn's father.

    They'll turn me into a bear so grim,
    And then a lion bold,
    But hold me fast, and fear me not,
    As ye shall love your child.

    Again they'll turn me in your arms,
    Into a red hot brand of iron,
    But hold me fast, let me not pass,
    I'll do to you no harm.

    First dip me in a stand o' milk,
    And then in a stand of water,
    But hold me fast, let me not pass--
    I'll be your bairn's father.

    They'll shape me in your arms, Janet,
    A dove and then a swan,
    At last they'll shape me in your arms
    A mother naked man.

    Cast your green mantle over me,
    I'll be myself again,
    Cast your green mantle over me,
    And so I will be won.

    Gloomy, gloomy was the night,
    And eerie was the way
    As fair Janet, in her green mantle,
    To Miles Cross she did gae.

    The heavens were black, the night was dark,
    And dreary was the place,
    But Janet stood with eager wish,
    Her lover to embrace.

    Betwixt the hours of twelve and one,
    A northwind tore the bent,
    And straight she heard the elfish sounds,
    Upon that wind which went.

    About that dread hour of the night,
    She heard the bridles ring,
    And Janet was as glad of that,
    As any earthly thing.

    Their oaten pipes blew wondrous shrill,
    The hemlock small blew clear,
    And louder notes from hemlocks large
    And bog-reed struck the ear,

    Fair Janet, stood, with mind unmoved,
    The dreay heath upon,
    And louder, louder waxed the sound,
    As they came riding on.

    Will of the Wisp before them went,
    Sent forth a twinkling light,
    And soon she saw the faery bands
    All riding in her sight.

    First she let the black pass by,
    And then she let the brown,
    But fast she gripped the milk-white steed,
    And pulled the rider down.

    She pulled him from the milk-white steed,
    And let the bridle fall,
    And up there raise an elritch cry--
    He's won amoung us all!

    They shaped him in fair Janets arms
    An esk, and then an adder,
    She held him fast in every shape--
    To be her bairn's father.

    They shaped him in her arms at last,
    A mother naked man,
    She wrapped him in her green mantle,
    And so her true love won!

    Up then spoke the Faery Queen,
    Out of a bush of broom--
    She that has borrowed young Tam-Lin,
    has got a stately groom.
    Up then spoke the Faery Queen
    Out of a bush of rye--
    She has ta'en away the bonniest knight
    In all my company.

    But had I known Tam-Lin, she says
    What now this night I see,
    I would have taken thy two grey eyes,
    And turned thee to a tree.

    Oh had I known, Tam-Lin, she says
    Before ye came from home,
    I would ta'en your heart o' flesh,
    Put in a heart o' stone.

    Had I but the wit yestereen
    That I have bought today--
    I'd pay my tiend seven times to hell
    Ere you'd been won away,
    My love,
    Ere you'd been won away!

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    wow that was long but i liked it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by miabella View Post
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    i used to read fairy tales exclusively.
    me too! When I was in elementary school (4th - 6th grade) I had a bizarre fascination (obsession?) with classical fairy tales, Greek and Roman Mythology, as well as 1001 Arabian Nights. I checked out and read every single fairy tale/mythology book in my school library not once or twice but multiple times!

    Quote Originally Posted by MsQwerty View Post
    I have a Grimms tales book which an old lady gave to me when I was 7.
    Did she give it to you used or new? I wonder if we have the same book??? Back in the 5th or 6th grade I rescued a copy of Grimm's Fairy Tales from my elementary school's discard pile. It's yellowing and the pages are frayed now but I absolutely love it. It has 60 stories! Is your copy illustrated by Jean O'Neill?


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    ^ i got the barnes & noble generic grimms and hca for $10 each... really thick books too.

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    A more modern but definitely old-school fairy tale...has anyone read "The Little Prince"?

    http://www.angelfire.com/hi/littlepr...echapter1.html


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