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    When I worked here a few years back, bouncers would be bouncers and discretely tap you on the shoulder if there was inappropriate contact, or they would nicely talk to you afterwards. This is if it was the dancers fault, if it was the customer touching they would of course get a very strong warning.

    Fast forward to now and it is like another club. I'll be giving a dance and the girls on either side of me will be straddling their customers, grinding, shaking their head in their laps, blah blah blah and the bouncers will be right there. The customers will be touching them and aaaghh! It's just pissing me off finally.

    And I'm not prude, I don't care about that being "nasty" or anything, I just don't like that they are giving a $60 dance for the price of a $20. I don't like that they are breaking the rules because then all customers expect that much for the same price. And I know this is the same old story and you've all heard it a million times, but it just really bugged me yesterday, especially when I remembered how the bouncers used to act.

    What do you all think of a letter to the management?
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    I think it won't do anything. Sorry, it sucks, but they are still making money. They don't care about you or your feelings. I'm not speaking about the club specifically but like 99% of clubs in the US today.

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    Ya, I don't think I actually would even talk to management. It's not my m.o., and honestly it doesn't really effect my money that much, it was just getting to me yesterday. Just some deep breaths and I have to remember to only focus on what I'm doing.
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    Well, we have to keep in mind that some of the recent court decisions might also be applied to bars with alcohol, and therefore management might be taking a more relaxed attitude to enforcing the previous rules while they wait to see how things shake out. It's weird, a court decision that allows the rules to be more lax rather than making them stricter, huh? but those rulings that allow for live sex shows and such might be extended to a wider arena unless the OLCC really decides to take charge again. Who knows?

    Heh heh, what you described is a $20 dance in most of the country, not a $60 dance. You don't even wanna know what that is up in Seattle.

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    ^ if i worked with you, and you wrote a letter basically whining because girls are dancing more roughly than you, i'd be PISSED.

    i'm naturally a rough dancer, and i learned by doing high contact, i actually don't like it when i can't touch the guy at all.

    just take a sigh of relief that you don't have to do what YOU don't want to, and you still make your money. you say it doesn't effect your money, so why do you care?

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    ^^well I think she cares because it's upsetting to see that kind of stuff. sooner or later it will affect her money because guys get used to getting more for less so then they'll go to the extras girls vs the non extras girls.

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    Corgan, I'm definitely one to mind my own business, especially at work, and I would never whine to management that other dancers are dancing rougher than than I am. It had been a trying day at work. Oregon also may be different than where you work, we are no contact, keep 6 inches between you and the custy and at least one foot on the floor at all times and no touching your own body either.

    Personally, I probably break at least two of those rules at any given time, ie, touching myself (just not between my legs), breathing in the guys ear, or both feet off the floor, etc. It's just being surrounded by girls fingering themselves, letting a guy touch, grinding in his lap, touching his crotch - all in one song, it just depressed me a little. It just felt dirty and desperate.

    And as Susan said:
    what you described is a $20 dance in most of the country, not a $60 dance. You don't even wanna know what that is up in Seattle.
    we have it pretty good in Oregon, guys are still generally very happy to pay $20 for our style of lapdancing, I just hate seeing that change.
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    By the time I left exotica that was affecting my $$.

    Me: Wow, you don't want me to stop, do you? *shake shake*
    Guy: *he's been looking around the whole time* Well... actually I think I want to be able to spank/touch/have more fun, like those people over there. So thanks but I think that just one dance is fine.

    It happened a lot.

    Now I'm in Guam and the standards are different!

    That was a thing that really got to me at Exotica and why I took time off from there. I didn't like the hypocrisy of increased contact. BUT compared to, say, Cabaret, Exotica's a good club to work at... in some ways...

    But in any case, I see you work and you are such a good hustler. But damn, I see some of those girls take a guy in for a dance and I know I don't have a chance of getting a dance with him afterward because her level of contact is SO fuckin' high.

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    I just wrote a long ass post but I'm editing it just to say that I have seen contact levels go up substantially in the two years I have been in Portland (in some clubs not all) and that holiday is merely reacting to that change, not being judgmental of fellow dancers.

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    This issue has me a bit worried too, as I plan to continue dancing for as long as I can. I have only danced for 2 years and in only 2 clubs and I've seen the contact level go WAY up at one of them. Not comfortable with that!!!

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    hearts - you're not referring to dp, are you? that'd break my heart, since that was my first club. really i feel that working for the first almost year of my dancing career with pure no contact (before i even did couch dances) helped me get comfortable and committed, as well as perfect my stage performance. i worked @ sassy's too (back in spring 2006) and noticed mild contact there but definitely mild by national standards.

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    whoa, yes, it is totally diff here in texas!

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    so, uh, where else can WOC strippers work in portland?

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    Good question! Exotica's always been the best. I've seen many woc do one or two shifts at the dolphin and say that they were unhappy with the atmosphere & clientele. Since I'm not woc I can't really say what their experiences are, just that the one or two I've met have reported being unhappy.

    Maybe the viewpoint? I've never been there but it's similar to exotica in being a) in NE/N PDX and b) by the airport. They also have champagne rooms.

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    There's a few who work at the DII, anomar, a couple who have been around for a while and some who dance there more sporadically. But I think we have established pretty clearly on this board that not everyone has a good experience there.

    I'd think any of the bigger clubs, like Acrop, Viewpoint (I just visited those two last week and both seemed nice enough) would be great. There are not a lot of African Americans in Portland though, like, it's got one of the lowest percentages in the country, so I haven't seen a lot of WOC dancers here. Which is probably why Exotica reels 'em in, they know how to serve an underserved market.

    So, holiday, I'm curious, are you seeing like boob and ass grabbing or is it milder than that?

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    ^^^ When I worked there I saw that most women didn't *encourage* contact, but guys would do things like put their hands on the womens' hips and the women would leave them there, etc. Not encouraged or initiated but tolerated contact. I'd like to hear holiday's perspective too.

    Of course, now I'm in Guam, where I'll look a guy in the eyes and YAWN if he grabs my boobs. Another good one is 'I'll bet that your wife is really happy about this'. Enh!

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    There is ass grabbing, and I've seen mild boob touching, but it's only when the girls is leaning back on the guy, faced away from him and he'll run his hand up the side of her boob.

    I really don't watch a lot of lapdances, but I really am shocked pretty much daily by something I'll see. It's mostly the heavy, straddling a guy and dry fucking him for an entire song that is irritating.

    Just yesterday I asked a guy if he'd like another dance, he looked over at the couch next to us and the guy had both hands on the girls ass as she was grinding away and he looked back at me and said, no thanks. It was really great.
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    Last time I dropped into Cabaret I saw a guy feeling up a girl's ass while they were both standing near the bar. Weird...I used to work there, and it wasn't like that then. The dances also seemed to be more contact. Strange.

    I went to Acrop on Labor Day and I really want to work there once I get better at the pole! I loved the atmosphere there. The DJ was playing good music, the crowd was a total mix, and the dancers were great. Definitely a performance-based club.

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    I am working here for the first time on Monday from 3-9. Will you be around Holiday?

    When I auditioned I noticed a lot of girls who weren't very attractive (and a few who were super attractive). Maybe the mileage is up because there are girls who are having a hard time making money over the more-attractive ladies?

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    Exotica will hire absolutely anybody and you can work whenever you please. So ya, I suppose that may be part of the prob.

    I won't be there monday. I'll be there the rest of the week! I'm excited to see you.

    And you know, Exotica is still my club. I mean, I still love it there. It's been better for me than any other club in town, so I do think you'll like it. And there are a lot of attractive, sensible girls there too.
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    Well, I worked there today. I went in at 3 and left at 6:30. I really wanted this place to work out, but you are right Holiday, the contact level is not what it should be for Portland. In fact, some of these girls could easily get busted here.

    There was a lot of grinding and touching from what I could see. I asked Joel about it and he basically was like, "well, the DJ is supposed to watch. and the girls arent supposed to do that, but you dont have to do that if you dont want to." They seemed to not care at all that the girls were breaking the rules. I saw him see what was going on and not do anything. There was one girl especially who was giving major grinding lap dances and letting the guy touch wherever.

    Plus, the "$10 Dances from 11-6" sign gave me a lot of trouble. I would get a dance, and say they were $20. The guy would argue and say every other girl did the same kind of lap dance for 10. It was fairly easy to get dances but I had to deal with this for every one, and then the guy only got one. I will never do a $10 dance.

    The club itself is nice looking. I just don't want to have to deal with the $10 dance thing or the contact thing. I really wanted to like this club but I would rather keep working at the Dolphin where I think my chances at making money are better. I might try the Viewpoint though, I've heard good things about it.

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    Go check it out; they have a good pricing structure for their VIP -- lower house cut by far than the DII. I'm sorry to hear that Exotica didn't pan out for you but not really if it means I will still see your hotness at the DII.

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    Good Lord, guys gave you crap about the $10 dances? I hate those signs. I'm going to pull them down myself. I have never given one myself. I've only had a customer mention them a few times and I smile and say, "oh believe me, you want a $20 dance, not the $10 one"...blah blah, wink wink, but they put an ad in Exotica, so maybe more people are seeing it.

    It's pretty cold though, management wanting more biz. during the day, so they cut our profits instead of doing something creative to get customers in.

    They're spending a bunch of money this year and remodeling the club - new stages, new layout, VIP room. I don't know. There still isn't any management - like you saw - so I don't know if it will improve or not.

    I keep meaning to work a shift at the Viewpoint myself. Maybe today will finally be the day?
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