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    SO I'm sitting at the bar drinking coffee last night and a guy comes up to me and a girl I'm with and starts chatting it up. We have great conversation till another girl I know comes up to him (turns out that she had a few dances with him before that). So we're all chatting and she asks him for another dance. He declines so she asks me to join her on talking to some guys that walked in. After 5 minutes of conversation with them, I ask my guy if he wanted a dance, he declines, so I finished up the conversation and left them and her at the table. I go back to the bar where I was first sat and continued to finish me coffee. The first guy that came up to me was still there so I just continued casual conversation. He then jumps to asking me for a dance in the 3/100 rooms. Here's where I think I went wrong:
    1.Since I knew he got dances from the girl I knew on the main floor, I suggested that why don't all 3 of us go upstairs and do double dances. He declined and said just us for now.

    SO we went up and we did two sets. So I suggested again that he should get more dances, this time with me and the girl again. He agrees but wants to do it on the main floor. So I grab her and tell her that I got him to get dances from both of us and that he wants to do them on the main floor.
    SHe was very appreciative but it may have backfired on me:

    2. She asked me how I went upstairs and how long I was up there and told her. SHe continued to him to push him for 3/100 for us. He declined but she didn't want to let up so she negotiated for us without asking me if it was ok. SHe told him that we would do 4/100. He agreed and I was angered and stuttering the rest of the time. I just wanted to get it over with by then.

    Now those of you who know me and read my posts, you know that I HATE and WILL NOT negotiate. It really breaks my personal rules and I feel like negotiated drives down this business. I've turned down numerous dances because guys wanted to negotiate. Last night was the first time I didn't put up a fight because I felt like I was going to fuck with her money. But she was fucking with my money and didn't care! I'm so pissed. I just bit my tongue, did the dances and made a mental note that I will never do her the favor of getting her dances again. I feel like this totally backfired on me.

    Here I am, trying to help out a girl that I knew that did dances with this guy, and she takes it to another level and fucks with my money because she was trying to maximize her money. Not cool.

    But then I look at it the other way and she may have increased my money because he didn't specify how many floor dances he wanted to do so he could have just had one and I would have just made 20 instead of 100.

    I don't know, I'm so confused. I was glad to make extra money but not at the price of negotiating. Have you guys ever flexed your personal rules a little to satisfy another? I hate that I can be so weak. I like to make my rules and stick with them or else I will feel like all the other times I've turned down negotiations, went to waste.
    I'm going to take this incident as an isolated incident and just never work with this girl again.

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    On the brightside, because of her negotiating you got another hundred dollars and only had to do one song for free. That's better than going out on the floor and having to wait at least that long to get the same amount of money, right? I agree negotiating really drags our business into the mud, but every once in a while you have to do it to make good money. I'll go down on my VIP price with regulars who buy blocks of time from me in VIP up front - I have one whose company I enjoy, and I'll do 5 hours in VIP with him for $2000 up front, instead of $500 an hour, which would be $2500. So he feels like I'm giving him an hour for free - I just look at it as locking in 5 hours at $400. I'd rather be doing that than turning him down on principle and out on the floor (a potential financial wasteland).

    You're a pro. I know you know not to work with a girl unless you have an understanding about levels of contact, money, etc. But you've got to make a leap and trust someone to find a good hustling buddy, and this time it didn't work out I've lost count of how many times I've been screwed over by someone who I thought of as a "team mate".

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    I know the sort of situation you are in.
    Sometimes what you did was the best move anyways. Getting a dance for another girl can sometimes help you in the end. When I first started at my new club there was a girl who had worked a while that was a major bitch. Well I recommended a dance for her and she has kinda been helping me ever since when a guy wants a "hot blonde" or something.
    Yeah you sacrificed some money but at least you will be the hot friend she recommends when a group of guys come in.
    Yeah negotiating is something I'm not a big fan of either. It's kinda like extras... once you allow grinding, everyone has to grind. Doing 4 for 100 dances will become common if everyone does this too.

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    My opinion: don't rely on anyone else to make your money. Don't push double dances on anyone, that's less money for you. But I know you have your own style of hustle, and I respect that. All of the time spent negotiating, and the money he spent on the two of you could have been much more in your pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ViolaStrings View Post
    On the brightside, because of her negotiating you got another hundred dollars and only had to do one song for free. That's better than going out on the floor and having to wait at least that long to get the same amount of money, right?
    Agreed. Just look at the positive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kikiwiki View Post
    Now those of you who know me and read my posts, you know that I HATE and WILL NOT negotiate. It really breaks my personal rules and I feel like negotiated drives down this business.

    I'm totally with you here! I NEVER EVER negotiate. It sets a bad precedence and cheapens my worth as a dancer. I also never hustle double dances, unless a customer requests it. It's harder to build rapport with the custy and is less intimate. I only tag team groups of guys, one on one, never two on one. That's just my hustle style. To each their own.

    In your situation I would have gone along, although I would be pissed. I wouldn't want to create a scene and I hate confrontation, especially in front of a customer. You go out of your way to include her and she takes over and cuts a bargain. Hell NO! I would definitely say something to her later and never work with her again.

    It sounds like he was more into you than her, so including her hurt your money. If it was just one on one, you could have up sold easier.

    Don't beat yourself up about it, just take it as a learning experience.

    On a side note, does your 3/$100 have drink min? How much are your floor dances?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dangerousdiva View Post

    It sounds like he was more into you than her, so including her hurt your money. If it was just one on one, you could have up sold easier.

    Don't beat yourself up about it, just take it as a learning experience.

    On a side note, does your 3/$100 have drink min? How much are your floor dances?
    When he first approached me for a dance, I included her right away because I knew he got dances from her first and I felt weird that she will think I went to the bar to hustle him, because she would have seen us go upstairs. I didn't want her to think I was calculating, because I really wasn't. Like I said, I went back to finish my coffee and he was still there. And I was right, she was watching me, because she saw me go upstairs and even asked me how many dances I did. Talk about nosy. He approached me, he suggested 3/100. So in order for her to know I wasn't hustling him from her, that's why I suggested and persisted to him that he should get dances from both of us. I know, stupid move right? I was worried more about what she thought about me than me worried about my own money. Yea, this happens often, and I'm really trying to work on it. At the same time, at least she wont talk crap about me behind my back to other girls and custies, at least I hope not. I wouldn't put it passed her though since she was inquiring how many dances I did. It's none of my business how many she did for him, why would she care how many I did for him. I guess I'm just different.

    3/100 has a 2 drink minimum, so 130 minimum. He didn't need to buy extra drinks though since it was both of us on him. Floor dances are 20.
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    I'll just be the bitch in situations like that. Like, the other week, a friend of mine was hustling a whole table of guys. She'd already done dances for one of them, and she wanted him to do a double dance with both of us. He was protesting that it cost too much and he'd give us each $10 for a double dance, but I could tell the guy on my other side was into me and would get at least one or two dances from me at regular price. So my friend says to the guy, "okay, I'll do it for free since I'll enjoy it so much, and you pay her twenty dollars." I said, "I don't dance for cheap men. Just get a dance with her if you can't afford both of us," and turned around and got three dances out of his friend. My friend thought I was such a bitch, but at least I'm not a broke bitch.



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    Way to go, Lena! You did what I hope I would have been brave enough to do.

    Kikiwiki, stick by your standards. Forgive yourself for breaking them in an unfamiliar, uncomfortable situation, and know that you'll grow from this experience. The next time the situation presents itself, you can think "been there, done that" and be confident in your stance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kikiwiki View Post
    I included her right away because I knew he got dances from her first
    You're too nice. Which is good, but not at a SC. Who cares if he decides to do dances with another girl? If she does, she's not meant for this business. She let him go because she was done with him.

    You don't own a customers just because you sat on his lap once.

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    The title of this thread is misleading -- you didn't get hustled, you did the hustling for this girl. Hadn't she moved on by then? Even if the other dancer is a friend of yours you are under no obligation to make her money, just you.

    IMO you didn't mess up by negotiating or allowing her to negotiate, you messed up by bringing her up repeatedly to the customer. Why did you feel compelled to do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lena View Post
    I said, "I don't dance for cheap men. Just get a dance with her if you can't afford both of us," and turned around and got three dances out of his friend. My friend thought I was such a bitch, but at least I'm not a broke bitch.
    OHHH!!!! Yeah, baby! That's my new sig!

    Kiki don't sweat it. I think she meant well but is a crappy negotiator. Next time accept the customers refusal and leave it at that.
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    I am like that as well Kiki,,,,not wanting it to seem as though I am preying on another girl's customer.
    The other night, a nice dancer( I am pretty cool with) was sitting with a guy for a while but had to leave for her stage set.
    I see this customer alot and had a good feeling he wanted a few dances from me.
    I felt weird at first going up to him while she was on stage in front of me, but then remembered my money. I went right up to him, asked him for dances after 2 minutes, and he went right away.....had 3 dances with me.
    He could have easily declined and waited for her, I am not pushy. Infact, he left right after our dances.
    I am just now... starting to learn how to save my tendencies to be super courteous for outside of the club.

    Just take it as a learning experiance.

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    I have the same mindset as you about wanting to help out other girls. I do believe in stripper karma, and while some girls might not 'pay it back' to you later, there are many who will!!

    Sometimes taking a small cut to your money (not necessarily negotiating/lowering your price, but instead splitting what you might have made, with another girl) is worth it in the end, if you can build a good working relationship with another dancer, and can then hustle together. But hustling together only works if you are on the same page! I had a customer last Friday who wanted to spend a crapload of money off me, but he was drunk. Sometimes drunk guys are a lot to put up with, and flying solo makes it even harder! I had a feeling that I could hustle him better with another dancer, So I pulled another girl in on the dance with me, even tho I knew we would have to split the money. By the time we were finished dancing for him, he had used his credit card two more times! So in the end, I ended up making way more than he had originally offered me. Maybe I would have gotten more without the other girl, but maybe not. I was happy I had pulled her in on the dance.

    I agree with the other posters.. chalk it up to a learning experience, but let the girl know that you REFUSE to negotiate your time. For every customer that tries to lowball you, there's another one waiting nearby who is willing to pay you your full asking price... AND THEN SOME. =)

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    I'm all for sticking together and trying to help each other out. But ONE mention of double dances was plenty. You tried to make her money, he declined....done. Now you go make YOUR money.

    I'll include other girls if 1) I think theres a better chance of him spending money that way..the 2-girl fantasy thing 2)he's expressed an interest in having another girl join us or 3)she's a good friend who I know is having a bad night.

    But even in all of the above situations....if he doesnt seem into it(or at least not into the specific other girl I pick) I move on and dont jepordize my own money. Nor would I expect anyone else to for me. just the fact that they tried to help me out would have meant the world to me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan Wayward View Post
    The title of this thread is misleading -- you didn't get hustled, you did the hustling for this girl. Hadn't she moved on by then? Even if the other dancer is a friend of yours you are under no obligation to make her money, just you.

    IMO you didn't mess up by negotiating or allowing her to negotiate, you messed up by bringing her up repeatedly to the customer. Why did you feel compelled to do that?
    I made the title up b/c that's how I felt at the time when she negotiated with the custie, I felt like she negotiated with me too without me having a choice. I felt talked into something I would never do.

    I felt compelled to bring her into the dance b/c I didn't want her to think I went back to the bar to hustle the guy she did dances for. I wanted to show her that he asked me and I was trying to help her out.
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    So, did you tell her how it pissed you off? Did you say anythign after? Did he at least tip you to make up for the extra song? I feel that if i negotiate a bit (which i wont do on VIP price) I will get a good tip to make up for my negotiation.

    And I can't agree enough with those who said you were too nice.
    Seriously. I think someone else said this first; there is no Team in Stripper. Just an I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy68 View Post
    there is no Team in Stripper. Just an I.
    sig-swiping this!

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    ^ wow, will i really be a siggy quote? hehehe. ive never had such an honor.

    /end threadjack

    Love it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrissy68 View Post
    Seriously. I think someone else said this first; there is no Team in Stripper. Just an I.
    It was Savannah! during the impromptu "dancer meeting." hah!

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    oh yes! I think it was just, "there is no team in stripper."

    you weren't even at the meeting, Chrissy! You were getting fingered in a lap dance.

    God, that Savannah was funny. 200 lbs of attitude.

    When they were bitching about undercutting the price of a dance, she doesn't miss a beat and says, "but I can still do blowjobs for $50, right?" And she was not having them turn up the lights in the couch dance room.

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