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    true sun child. this is an interesting thread.
    just last night i could not get dances for shit cause i couldn't sell them. i just couldn't talk to guys and if i did i didn't even mention a dance or just did the "wanna dance?"
    its like i walk up to guys and everything in my mind goes blank. so later in the night i chat with a few diff guys and they're all like
    "you must kill here! you're so pretty, you're such a pretty girl"
    i'm like "no, i do the worst, i make no money"
    guys "no way, you're the prettiest one here!"
    me "so what? pretty is not paying my rent."

    so the problem isn't my looks, its my sales pitch.
    basically i need to read this whole hustle hut forum and maybe practice the lines over and over on a guy friend!

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    i'm pretty convinced that looks arent the biggest factor. not to say that looks dont matter, but they arent super important. your sales techniques are so much more important.

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    I have always found that young guys (18-30) will get dances off the best looking chicks in the club and older men will get dances off the less attractive girls in the club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty_Penny View Post
    less attractive girls = more attainable

    more attainable = more attractive

    also, some guys tend to associate attractiveness with bitchyness or lack of a fun personality. i've had guys tell me before that they feel like they have more of a good time with girls who aren't hot, because girls who are "too hot" tend to "think you owe them something"

    even though most of the time it's judgemental and "all in his head"...

    it's what they "think" that matters.
    i have heard this before too. however, i think it's the dumbest thing EVER! So...guys go to a strip club to see hot girls and get attention, but spend more money on the less hot girls?! i don't know why, this point of view REALLY bothers me. i just think it's dumb. i'm by no means hot, or snobby, i am actually really self concious, (but at work can act confident, & friendly), & i put time and effort into my appearance; SO i think it's unfair that the girls that clearly don't give a damn sometimes just make more. and it's not that there better hustlers.

    ugh.
    sorry for the rant.

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    The most talented and beautiful dancer I have ever met never made shit in the club I worked with her in. The customer base was pretty dismal, though, and she didn't do what more than half the dancers did in VIP, either.

    It actually used to piss me off, the girl could dance like a dream, I would play the best music I had for her--all for naught...

    She did a lot better in another club with more stringent requirements as far as dancer appearance went. Too bad for her she didn't stay there, but that was her mistake.

    There are a lot of guys--hordes of them, actually--with very low self esteem, who know damned well that a beautiful woman will never in a million years be seriously attracted to them. They will prefer an obviously less attractive woman, and spend their money willingly on her, because the illusion that they are also attractive to the dancer they have chosen is more believable to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    Or maybe they didnt find you attractive.
    Which is why he kept me around for 45 minutes talking my ear off. I kept trying to talk to his friend who DID seem to like me, but Asshole just kept talking and talking. I definitely could have gotten VIP with the other guy, but a fatty latched onto him at the last second. In fact, he kept hinting and hinting we were all going to go in the back and have "fun" and a "party". Or maybe it was the fact that he kept trying to grope the inside of my leg and I didn't let him.

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    Another great thread. I really found it interesting that the older guys spent more time with the "less attractive" girls. Being an "older guy", I concur.

    Guys definitely do want the hot girls, but for me, having a "i'm so f-ing hot" attitude is a total turnoff. Attitude and personality are far sexier to me than just physical looks. Sure, I'll look at Miss Hotty while she's on stage. But experience has taught me that their private/table/lap/whatever dance won't be as good as the others'. That may be MY insecurity speaking but it's my money I'm spending.

    And the new girl/innocent girl thing? I LOVE that! I'm sure that states something about me, too.

    Remember, it's all a fantasy, or more specifically, a mind-f&$k. So attitude contributes immensely.

    Just my 2 cents......

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    being pretty just means a lot of people will waste your fucking time telling you how pretty you are. sad but true. then when you get to the subject of a dance, they are like ohhhh no i don't think so.....awww come on man i thought i was a friggin knockout - what happened to that?

    i can't believe how many times i heard "wow, you're the best-looking girl in here, you must make a shitload of money" and i'd look around the room at older/heavier/"less attractive" women banking, shake my head sadly and think "no...i dont really actually make that much money because apparently i'd rather waste my time talking to assholes like you who will assure me i'm the hottest dancer in alaska, but won't buy one lousy $20 tabledance. excuse me while i go bang my head on a wall and rethink my approach." next time around i'm not gonna make the mistake of sitting with those fools. as soon as i get an inkling that i'm with a complimenter-not-a-spender i'm vamooz.

    just guessing but i think when a guy is dealing with a girl who is average or plain, he is not going to get caught up in how she looks and be all "WOW YOU'RE SO GORGEOUS OMFG NO REALLY YOU ARE SOOO PRETTY YOU MUST MAKE SOOO MUCH SERIOUSLY THOUGH" -- they will just get straight down to business -- dance, or no?
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    "You're the hottest/prettiest girl in here," said by random guy to random dancer does not make the statement true. I've overheard it said so many times where it obviously was not the case.

    Guys will tell a girl anything they think she wants to hear just to make her stick around and waste her time. The above quote is one of the lines that alerts me to a non-spender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calendar Girl View Post
    This worked for me. I am the black eyeliner/red lipstick/thigh high wearing kind. I decided to tone it down, and bingo! More money. Ever since I stopped wearing thigh highs, in particular, I have been doing better. As far as makeup goes I do a natural lip instead of red, and instead of alot of black eye makeup, just some nude shadow and false eyelashes. I do have a very intimidating look and presence, but toning it down has helped me sooooo much.
    Everyone is different though, this is just what has worked for me.
    This is exactl what I'm gonna try tonight. I usually go for the total glamour puss, glossy lips, dark smokey eyes, thing highs...all that jazz. I know I look good, but I wonder if I'm almost intimidating? I have a decent hustly, I know I'm not the best hustler, I've only been doing this for 5 months, but thanks to SW I do have some skills. but I've found out that much plainer girls make way more than me on average! I'm still pretty without the makeup, so I'm gonna try just bronzer, eye liner, and some lighter shadow and see how it goes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cameron_keys View Post
    Plus a lot of guys seem to think that less attractive girls will be willing to work "harder" for their money. Whether its true or not....they know the hot girls dont have to do extras.
    Pretty much! There have been plenty a night where hot girls just dont' make money, but "girl next door" types do. I think it just depends on the customer base for that night in time.

    Also, I've ran into my fair share of hot girls who do extras too.







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    Quote Originally Posted by laurcon View Post
    so the problem isn't my looks, its my sales pitch.
    basically i need to read this whole hustle hut forum and maybe practice the lines over and over on a guy friend!
    Don't overanalyze, or you'll come off awkward and forced and practiced. You wanna come off natural and spontaneous. Just wing it honestly. The last night I worked I made sure to get myself super hyper off of m&ms and caffeine. Being hyper really knocks my insecure, over-analytical, second-guessing self out of the way and makes me very outgoing, carefree and bubbly. I wasn't nervous about approaching anyone. It was my best Tuesday so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by major_wood View Post
    I really found it interesting that the older guys spent more time with the "less attractive" girls. Being an "older guy", I concur.
    I've noticed something similar at my club. The younger guys seem to prefer the girls who look like stereotypical strippers; young, implanted, blonde, heavier makeup... I usually don't approach the guys in my age group because they want Pamela Anderson. But the guys 30s and up don't seem to go for that look so much and seek out the more natural women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinaida View Post
    Don't overanalyze, or you'll come off awkward and forced and practiced. You wanna come off natural and spontaneous. Just wing it honestly.
    For me it helps to take the general idea of the sales tactic, but tailor it to fit my personality, and never come across like you're reciting lines. Practice practice practice. Take the ideas an put them in your own natural-sounding words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinammonkisses View Post
    Pretty much! There have been plenty a night where hot girls just dont' make money, but "girl next door" types do.
    I have a question... where is the line drawn between "hot" and "girl next door"? Isn't it possible to be both at the same time?

    So what about girls (like me), who have nice bodies, faces, makeup, jewlery and hair, but whose boobs are small, and they have an overall innocent young look?

    What qualifies someone as hot, and why do I always get called girl-next-door despite the fact that I'm hot and dress in really strippery stuff?



    An aside about the hot girls not making money thing, it reminds me of a girl in my club. She's tan, beautiful, and curvy in all the right ways, but she hardly ever makes money because she gives off a really bitchy vibe (I don't know if she intends to but I feel it) and she stays in the back all night.

    Oh snap! I just noticed something. The consistent really high earners give off a neutral, confident, and friendly "vibe" on the floor and even in the back.

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    Maybe the "less attractive" girls have better sales skills and can close a deal better than the ones who rely on their looks alone.
    It's all about the hustle. I firmly believe this. A good saleswoman will always get more dances than a poor one. And if you are an attractive dancer who also has a killer hustle, you will do the best.

    And also, guys have types. You can't forget that. Just like I'm not attracted to model-ly looking, beefy guys, some men aren't attracted to the women who we think are the "hottest".

    Approachable, fun, salesdriven and beautifull is the winning combo IMO.
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    ^ agreed. imo saying you can't make money because you're "too beautiful" is a cop-out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaizaine View Post
    I have always found that young guys (18-30) will get dances off the best looking chicks in the club and older men will get dances off the less attractive girls in the club.
    I *think* that in wanna dance clubs like mine thats just what the more attractive girls do. They wanna dance everyone (inc older men) The younger men go for this while the older men prefer to chat and get to know you a bit. The 'less attractive' girls will take the time to sit and chat hence the older men who like that take them to CR.

    Either way works for me depending on mood. Sometimes Ill take the time to chat and have a drink. Sometimes I just want to 'wanna dance' everyone. Those 'wanna dance' nights I tend to dance $20 dances all nite for younger guys but when I take the time to sit and chat with the older men I typically end up in CR.

    Im all for the looks dont matter as much - its the pitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raspberry ice View Post
    "You're the hottest/prettiest girl in here," said by random guy to random dancer does not make the statement true. I've overheard it said so many times where it obviously was not the case.

    Guys will tell a girl anything they think she wants to hear just to make her stick around and waste her time. The above quote is one of the lines that alerts me to a non-spender.
    really???

    that totally allerts me to push a vip, b/c he "loves" me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by holiday View Post
    It's all about the hustle. I firmly believe this. A good saleswoman will always get more dances than a poor one. And if you are an attractive dancer who also has a killer hustle, you will do the best.

    And also, guys have types. You can't forget that. Just like I'm not attracted to model-ly looking, beefy guys, some men aren't attracted to the women who we think are the "hottest".

    Approachable, fun, salesdriven and beautifull is the winning combo IMO.
    exactly. and the personality. (I think the two go hand in hand. you gotta not only say the right things, but say them in the right way)

    and the look at what a hot bitch I am thing DOES NOT SELL!!!

    I all the time have guys say they origionally thought I'd be a bitch b/c I'm so pretty, and that thay can't believe how sweet and nice I am

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    ^^ Call me cynical, but I totally think "You're the hottest/prettiest girl in here" indicates a non-spender. It's just blah blah flattery -- an in-one-ear-out-the-other kind of thing. I hear it most often from young guys who try to buy my time with compliments & shots instead of money. On the flip side, if an older guy says it with sincerity, then there's a chance it could translate into $.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anelia View Post
    being pretty just means a lot of people will waste your fucking time telling you how pretty you are. sad but true. then when you get to the subject of a dance, they are like ohhhh no i don't think so.....awww come on man i thought i was a friggin knockout - what happened to that?

    i can't believe how many times i heard "wow, you're the best-looking girl in here, you must make a shitload of money" and i'd look around the room at older/heavier/"less attractive" women banking, shake my head sadly and think "no...i dont really actually make that much money because apparently i'd rather waste my time talking to assholes like you who will assure me i'm the hottest dancer in alaska, but won't buy one lousy $20 tabledance. excuse me while i go bang my head on a wall and rethink my approach." next time around i'm not gonna make the mistake of sitting with those fools. as soon as i get an inkling that i'm with a complimenter-not-a-spender i'm vamooz.

    just guessing but i think when a guy is dealing with a girl who is average or plain, he is not going to get caught up in how she looks and be all "WOW YOU'RE SO GORGEOUS OMFG NO REALLY YOU ARE SOOO PRETTY YOU MUST MAKE SOOO MUCH SERIOUSLY THOUGH" -- they will just get straight down to business -- dance, or no?

    EXACTLY what's happening to me! man, well put babe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by raspberry ice View Post
    ^^ Call me cynical, but I totally think "You're the hottest/prettiest girl in here" indicates a non-spender. It's just blah blah flattery -- an in-one-ear-out-the-other kind of thing. I hear it most often from young guys who try to buy my time with compliments & shots instead of money. On the flip side, if an older guy says it with sincerity, then there's a chance it could translate into $.
    so wierd how things are different for different girls. Alsomst every guy who says that to me will be my big spender that night.

    I rarely even chat with a guy under 25. I just wanna dance them, b/c they come in on friday/sat nights, and there are tooo many ppl to chat, I just dance!!!!

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    I've looked the same for most of my dancing career and 8-10 years ago when I first started working in nicer clubs I thought this theory was valid. I never understood how some girls made so much and I made a lot less, after all, I was prettier!

    Now I realize that it all boils down to how good you are at selling. I make far more now than I did in my '20s, even with everyone saying that it was so much better in the 1990s. For me, it had to do with experience, confidence, and sales skills, as well as being attractive.

    In my club the most attractive women have NO trouble making money. In fact, I'd say the top five sellers are all gorgeous, followed by the more average but still pretty, followed by the bottom rung. But again, the top sellers have all been doing this job for awhile and know how to close the deal.

    One more thing, the hotter you are the friendlier you have to be. If the hot girl doesn't smile guys think she's a stuck up bitch, with the other girls it doesn't matter to them as much. The guys have to feel they can relate to you in some way, and it's up to you to figure out what way that will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSexKitten View Post

    What qualifies someone as hot, and why do I always get called girl-next-door despite the fact that I'm hot and dress in really strippery stuff?
    Hot stripper style = Pam Anderson or Jenna Jameson

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