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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of0C6AjnNu8&

    Um, why didn't she use the pill since she has NO COPING SKILLS!
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    This is the PERFECT example of why not EVERY woman should breed.

    Unfortunately, it reminds me (sadly) of my late mother when I was a teen

    and hence the reason i refuse to have children as i know i would turn into someone like that..

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    It was funny to me at first and then when she didn't cool out it became sad and scary. I thought she might attack him. If he snapped after 16 of that shit they'd want to try him as an adult!
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    You know, if I had told my mum to "ask me nicely" for anything... the reaction would not have been pretty.
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    Okay, I'm with Jenny. Mom has some serious anger issues, but that kid is an absolute prick. She has to go to work and she wants the fucking keys. SHE pays the bills, and the little fucker says, "Ask me nicely", calls his mom a bitch and tells her to "Go fuck yourself"? You know what my mom would have said?

    "Te voy a pegar el puno" (in so many words, she'll beat my ass)

    I would never speak to my mother that way. That household is grossly dysfunctional.
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    Yeesh..

    Ask nicely? ye gods.. if I would of said that to my Momma, I would of been sitting on a nub for the rest of my life.

    That kid is a jerk.


    He deserves it, plus he deserves a good beating!

    Plus, he baited her, pushed her and just would not be quiet. If he would of just hushed up and gave her time to cool off, it would of been diffrent.

    All he's worried about is money and even at the end he STILL wont hush.

    I agree her tactics are horrendous - then again when your pushed to the point of no return it's hard to re-gain control.


    We have no idea how he treats his Mom on a daily basis, from what I can see it's not good.

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    Oh and she asked his little smart ass for $50, which he can definitely shell out if he's living under her roof with that much mouth.
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    Yeah, the kid is haughty, but the mom still reminds me of this white trash broodsow I saw at Walmart. She had her toddler on one of those harness leashes, and when the kid started exploring her surroundings (not even destructive), the sow YANKED THE LEASH HARD. The poor kid tumbled backwards and shrieked in pain.

    My mom is the same way. She'll just go into emotional diarrhea torrents and refuse to calm down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatshepsut View Post
    Yeah, the kid is haughty, but the mom still reminds me of this white trash broodsow I saw at Walmart. She had her toddler on one of those harness leashes, and when the kid started exploring her surroundings (not even destructive), the sow YANKED THE LEASH HARD. The poor kid tumbled backwards and shrieked in pain.
    That's not cool at all. Poor baby.

    But this kid sounds really manipulative and probably get's off on pushing people to the breaking point. When the guy (stepdad?) says, "She's been taking care of you guy for 16+ years..." The kid says something to the effect of "that doesn't mean anything."

    Grrrrrrrrr. But mom needs some help. She also needs to send that prick of a kid to boarding school.
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    Well, okay, my mum wouldn't be THAT ugly. But I've had some knock down, drag out, horrible, nasty fights with my mum, that, if filmed... well, we wouldn't want to watch it again. Or have anyone else see it. But the thing is - I don't think those moments define my relationship with my mum - I would describe our relationship as "close" and "affectionate"; if you only saw us fighting, though, you might reasonably think it was "horrifying" and "mutually abusive". So the other thing is that taping might not show how they USUALLY interact with each other. But yeah, it sounds like, in the context of a fight, the kid knows how to push her and she really needs some self-control
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    What self-respecting woman would be pushed to the breaking point by a kid unless she's simply not equipped for motherhood? That's the job in a nutshell. How fucked up is her life that she has to ask her son for money? How unstable is she that teenage sarcasm makes her tell him to go fuck himself, shoot himself and that she's calling the police on him, and he better be gone from her home? Also does anybody wonder why she didn't wail on her HUSBAND instead of her kid? Or get a loan like other people do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    What self-respecting woman would be pushed to the breaking point by a kid unless she's simply not equipped for motherhood?
    Um... most women, at some point or another? I mean, you're right - that IS the job in a nutshell. And show me a parent who hasn't freaked out on their kid at some point and I'll probably show you someone who has been a parent less than a year. Is it ideal? No. If this actually defines their relationship, it is obviously very wrong - like if it is how they usually interact. But fights happen between parents and their teenaged children - and most such fights are generally over things that, to outsiders, seem stupid. As for "she must be fucked up because she had to ask her son for money" - well she might be. But I grew up in a family that had quite a lot of mutual cooperation by the time I was a teenager. My mother asking me for things wasn't so weird, and it would never occur to me that she was an inferior human being because she needed her nearly-grown daughter's help.
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    I see no excuse for her behavior. Sorry, I don't care that he whipped her into a frenzy by asking her to ask instead of demand. I see no reason for her to call him such filthy words over fifty dollars and him requesting her being polite, only to get, essentially, "Fuck you!" as a response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    What self-respecting woman would be pushed to the breaking point by a kid unless she's simply not equipped for motherhood?
    While parenting requires more patience than even the most perfect human being could have sometimes, that woman was out of control.

    My mom had a really vicious temper, and the stress of raising my brother and I by herself meant she freaked out on us a few times. Sometimes, especially as a teenager, I no doubt deserved it. But yeah she went overboard a few times, not much doubt about it.

    Her anger was much more fearsome than that woman's, though. You couldn't just dismiss her like that kid did. When she got mad there was no stopping it. You had to just get away from her, if possible.

    But that woman was just too much. If I was that sixteen year old, I'd work as much as I could and get the hell out as soon as possible, just to get away from that horrible screeching.

    I'd like to know about the background situation before I passed final judgement, but from what I heard, she was not equipped to be a parent, no.
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    If she'd been doing her job from day one, the kid wouldn't have been such a dick and no screaming would've been necessary. Once you're screaming, you've already fucked up. By the time a kid is 16 he should already know to treat you with respect.

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    Okay, maybe it's because I grew up with strong black/Latino relatives. Maybe it's because I was raised down South. I don't know why, but I just find something really awful about telling my mother to go fuck herself. Sorry. And my mom had a terrible temper and beat me waaaay too much. I still would never tell my mother to fuck herself. She is still my mother and I watch her go thru hell and highwater to feed me and my siblings. What women go thru to take care of kids and the sacrifices they make are unbelievable. I don't think any of us can understand that, because most of us on here don't have teenage kids (yet).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    If she'd been doing her job from day one, the kid wouldn't have been such a dick and no screaming would've been necessary. Once you're screaming, you've already fucked up. By the time a kid is 16 he should already know to treat you with respect.
    And I agree with that. She fucked up waaay early in the game to have her kid speaking to her like that. And like Jenny said, we don't know the whole situation, I just still can't imagine dissin' my mom like that.
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    She flipped out like that because he didn't give her 50$ You have got to be fucking kidding me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yekhefah View Post
    If she'd been doing her job from day one, the kid wouldn't have been such a dick and no screaming would've been necessary. Once you're screaming, you've already fucked up. By the time a kid is 16 he should already know to treat you with respect.
    Yeah that's the bottom line.

    Even if I would like to know more about the background (or maybe not, lol!), she had so little self-control in that tape, and the screeching was so irritating and horrible, it's hard to have any respect for her. When my mom got mad you damned well respected her, whether she was going overboard or not, lol!

    And no, you don't tell your mom to fuck off. Even in later years when she blew up on me and was totally in the wrong, I never did that.

    That's one dysfunctional family in that tape, yeah...
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    And no, you don't tell your mom to fuck off. Even in later years when she blew up on me and was totally in the wrong, I never did that.
    I dunno, if my mom had ever told me to "go to hell and shoot myself" because i wouldn't loan her 50$ i can't say for sure what i'd have said back to her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap View Post
    I dunno, if my mom had ever told me to "go to hell and shoot myself" because i wouldn't loan her 50$ i can't say for sure what i'd have said back to her.
    I gotta agree!

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    Okay, maybe it's because I grew up with strong black/Latino relatives. Maybe it's because I was raised down South. I don't know why, but I just find something really awful about telling my mother to go fuck herself. Sorry. And my mom had a terrible temper and beat me waaaay too much. I still would never tell my mother to fuck herself. She is still my mother and I watch her go thru hell and highwater to feed me and my siblings. What women go thru to take care of kids and the sacrifices they make are unbelievable. I don't think any of us can understand that, because most of us on here don't have teenage kids (yet).
    I grew up with "strong" southern Black parents (aunts, uncles etc.)who felt they had the right to beat their children with belts and tree limbs until welts appeared. These strong parents are often at their weakest--completely out of emotional and physical control. They self-righteously punish the children for the humiliation and abuses they've suffered from other adults. They bring that rage and shame home and shower it on their kids. None of that is love or acceptable.

    Is assaulting you repeatedly anywhere near as offensive as saying "go fuck yourself". Do you think that little of your physical and emotional well being? I bet you walk away from petty insults like that on a regular basis. But your mother couldn't and she was wrong. You deserved a hell of a lot better than that. Further, how low does your self-respect have to be if a kid's petulant outburst makes you feel a total loss of respect that you must now take back by force?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    I grew up with "strong" southern Black parents (aunts, uncles etc.)who felt they had the right to beat their children with belts and tree limbs until welts appeared. These strong parents are often at their weakest--completely out of emotional and physical control. They self-righteously punish the children for the humiliation and abuses they've suffered from other adults. They bring that rage and shame home and shower it on their kids. None of that is love or acceptable.
    I don't disagree with this one bit. I believe that "our" community has a very unhealthy perspective on disciplining their children, and a LOT of them do it the wrong way, including my mom. But she was not so terrible that I could ever tell her to go fuck herself, and that's all I'm saying. I guess I have a different level or respect (and sympathy) for my mother even though I ABSOLUTELY DISAGREED with a LOT of her parenting techniques. I think there is a certain level of respect to be held for your mom IF she took care of you. I mean, the kid turns on the camera after I'm sure he has pissed his mother off to holy hell. Who knows how long she was asking him for the 50 bucks before she got like that? We don't. I'm not saying that she is right AT ALL. She is WRONG and she obviously never established the respect that a child should have for his mother early on in life. At the same time, I just can't imagine saying the things that he said to my mother. I just can't.

    Once again, I'm not defending her, I'm looking at it from a different angle than "Oh that poor kid". That poor kid is smart as hell and quite manipulative, and he definitely is a pro at making his mother look like a spawn of satan. A lot of kids have pissed off other wise decent parents to the point she was at.

    Who knows? They probably made up the next day, had a beer together and are reading all the youtube reviews laughing their dysfunctional asses off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by francescadubois View Post
    Who knows? They probably made up the next day, had a beer together and are reading all the youtube reviews laughing their dysfunctional asses off.
    Oh Snap!!! I hope not!
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    Quote Originally Posted by francescadubois View Post
    I don't disagree with this one bit. I believe that "our" community has a very unhealthy perspective on disciplining their children, and a LOT of them do it the wrong way, including my mom. But she was not so terrible that I could ever tell her to go fuck herself, and that's all I'm saying. I guess I have a different level or respect (and sympathy) for my mother even though I ABSOLUTELY DISAGREED with a LOT of her parenting techniques. I think there is a certain level of respect to be held for your mom IF she took care of you. I mean, the kid turns on the camera after I'm sure he has pissed his mother off to holy hell. Who knows how long she was asking him for the 50 bucks before she got like that? We don't. I'm not saying that she is right AT ALL. She is WRONG and she obviously never established the respect that a child should have for his mother early on in life. At the same time, I just can't imagine saying the things that he said to my mother. I just can't.

    Once again, I'm not defending her, I'm looking at it from a different angle than "Oh that poor kid". That poor kid is smart as hell and quite manipulative, and he definitely is a pro at making his mother look like a spawn of satan. A lot of kids have pissed off other wise decent parents to the point she was at.

    Who knows? They probably made up the next day, had a beer together and are reading all the youtube reviews laughing their dysfunctional asses off.

    This is true - I had a strong family , matriarchal. I was taken care of mostly by my Granny. Then again., when my Mother spoke in her soft voice usually everyone hushed up.

    I knew I had limits and if I was naughty I'd receive a beating.

    That kid obviously has never had any sort's of limits and now Mom is paying the price.

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    I was lucky to have parents who never once raised a hand to me, but I knew better to curse at them or scream. Not that it was sunny and bright...we still managed to have some good blowouts. But I cant imagine calling my parents a bitch or to go fuck themselves. That kid had to learn that kind of disrespect somewhere in the home; it's not like one day he decided to talk to her like that.

    As for the money thing...I dont think asking your kid for money is a sign you're fucked up...we have no idea what the context is. My parents have plenty of cash, but if one of them is in a rush, and didn't hit the ATM up, they'll ask for some cash to get through the day. I dont see any problem with that.

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